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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Roy » Thu 03 Dec 2009, 08:09:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericans commit violent hate crimes against Mexicans all across the country. Do you really believe the people living on the border have any more love for them than they do in the rest of the lower 48?


Link?

From the looks of police blotters I see, it is quite the opposite.

Although, according to the FBI's crime statistics, Mexicans and other Hispanics are classified as 'whites'.

Please stop parroting MSM propaganda inaccurately, and please stop posting hyperbole and start backing up your rhetoric with actual sources.

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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Questionmark » Thu 03 Dec 2009, 09:52:05

Oh really?

http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-11-26/news ... ew-barrio/

http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/08/ ... ate-crime/

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/17/nyreg ... tings.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... altez.html

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=99651

And for the record, I don't have to cite or provide links for well accepted information. It's no secret that plenty people in this country hate Mexicans enough to commit violent crimes against them.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Poordogabone » Mon 07 Dec 2009, 23:13:39

Well it all sounds like a good news/bad news story.

The bad news: we're running out of cheap oil.
The good news: we'll have an increasingly abundant flow of cheap labor.

Borders are kind of arbitrary sometimes, don't some of these south of the border people look like they have inhabited this land a little longer than most of the posters on this thread? Couldn't help but notice .

Anyway I don't believe it, the scenario of mexicans flooding the US border when TSHTF is pure hollywood fantasy imo.

And yes xenophobia a genetic trait essential to our survival at earlier time is now a serious handicap inflicting upon our best judgement in modern time.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Questionmark » Tue 08 Dec 2009, 22:07:17

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Anyway I don't believe it, the scenario of mexicans flooding the US border when TSHTF is pure hollywood fantasy imo.



What's so hard to believe about it? They're already locked in a war against drug traffickers. Oil output is going down, remittances are going down, tourism is going down. Given the direction that things are heading in the most probable outcome is the collapse of their government and economy, which would lead to a mass exodus. Who in their right mind would stay?
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Poordogabone » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 00:41:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's so hard to believe about it? They're already locked in a war against drug traffickers. Oil output is going down, remittances are going down, tourism is going down. Given the direction that things are heading in the most probable outcome is the collapse of their government and economy, which would lead to a mass exodus. Who in their right mind would stay?


Oh yeah plenty of opportunities here in America these days, who in their right mind would leave any ship, no matter the state, to take a chance on the Titanic?
And the only crap that produces "mass exodus" is war and Hollywood movies.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby MonteQuest » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 00:58:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ') It's not our job to be lifeboat for a world in population overshoot and facing energy descent.


What is the job of a country that took more than it's share and then set it up as a standard of living?
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 08:33:19

What is the job of the country that took in more homeless immigrants than any other since the fall of the Byzantine Empire?

Survival.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Questionmark » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 14:31:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Poordogabone', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's so hard to believe about it? They're already locked in a war against drug traffickers. Oil output is going down, remittances are going down, tourism is going down. Given the direction that things are heading in the most probable outcome is the collapse of their government and economy, which would lead to a mass exodus. Who in their right mind would stay?


Oh yeah plenty of opportunities here in America these days, who in their right mind would leave any ship, no matter the state, to take a chance on the Titanic?


At least the titanic had life boats. Besides, if people will leave Somalia for Ethiopia and Kenya, what makes you thinks Mexicans wouldn't come to the United States? The standard of living may plummet in the U.S. after PO takes it's toll on us but at least we'll still have a stable government and won't be at war.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd the only crap that produces "mass exodus" is war and Hollywood movies.


Yes, because no people have ever left a country en mass in order to escape war and poverty.

certainly not these refugees from Darfur living in chad -

http://www.allgood-living.com/journal/w ... n_chad.jpg

or these in Beirut -

http://coromandal.files.wordpress.com/2 ... beirut.jpg

or these refugees from Kosovo who fled to Macedonia -

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/330 ... 48a6d5.jpg


It doesn't matter how crappy the country you flee to is, anything is better than a place with no real government and a war.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Questionmark » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 14:35:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')hat is the job of the country that took in more homeless immigrants than any other since the fall of the Byzantine Empire?

Survival.


The U.S. needed immigrants to maintain any sort of growth. For the first 200 years of our history we had a significant labor shortage. People came here in droves only because there was more work available than could be filled by the people already living here. This was the very basis for the "American dream" and the very condition that doesn't exist anymore. They weren't homeless immigrants looking for a handout, they were the people who built this country up and allowed it to be successful in the first place.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 14:37:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'a')t least we'll still have a stable government and won't be at war.


And upon exactly what are you founding that assumption?
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby Questionmark » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 17:05:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'a')t least we'll still have a stable government and won't be at war.


And upon exactly what are you founding that assumption?


I should clarify that I meant that there won't be a war on U.S. soil. And I'm basing that assumption on current trends. The government is still very strong and very much in power and there is nothing even resembling a war going on within U.S. borders. Squabbling along party lines isn't going to devolve into a civil war, so it's safe to say that while things may get worse, we'll at least be relatively safe.
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 09 Dec 2009, 17:10:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Questionmark', 'a')t least we'll still have a stable government and won't be at war.


And upon exactly what are you founding that assumption?


I should clarify that I meant that there won't be a war on U.S. soil. And I'm basing that assumption on current trends. The government is still very strong and very much in power and there is nothing even resembling a war going on within U.S. borders. Squabbling along party lines isn't going to devolve into a civil war, so it's safe to say that while things may get worse, we'll at least be relatively safe.

I would guess that things will severely degenerate over time, until the areas "that even cops won't venture into" encompass the majority of areas in the US. Stability & order will be maintained for the elite. We will eventually be somewhere inbetween Rio and MadMax...
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Re: PO unfolding in NA

Unread postby galacticsurfer » Thu 14 Jan 2010, 09:53:36

http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/14/o ... gle+Reader

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')A recent report on the November 2009 U.S. trade deficit found that rising oil imports widened our deficit, increasing the gap between our imports and exports. This is but one example that our economic recovery and long-term growth is inexorably linked to our reliance on foreign oil. The United States is spending approximately $1 billion a day overseas on oil instead of investing the funds at home, where our economy sorely needs it. Burning oil that exacerbates global warming also poses serious threats to our national security and the world’s security. For these reasons we need to kick the oil addiction by investing in clean-energy reform to reduce oil demand, while taking steps to curb global warming.



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