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You 2.0

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 28 Nov 2009, 14:23:27

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') contact lens that harvests radio waves to power an LED is paving the way for a new kind of display. The lens is a prototype of a device that could display information beamed from a mobile device. Realising that display size is increasingly a constraint in mobile devices, Babak Parviz at the University of Washington, in Seattle, hit on the idea of projecting images into the eye from a contact lens. One of the limitations of current head-up displays is their limited field of view. A contact lens display can have a much wider field of view. “Our hope is to create images that effectively float in front of the user perhaps 50 cm to 1 m away,” says Parviz.


You could see this:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')omputer chip maker Intel wants to implant a brain-sensing chip directly into the brains of its customers to allow them to operate computers and other devices without moving a muscle.

Intel believes its customers would be willing to have a chip implanted in their brains so they could operate computers without the need for a keyboard or mouse using thoughts alone. The implant could also be used to operate devices such as cell phones, TVs and DVDs.

The chip is being developed at Intel’s laboratory in Pittsburgh, USA. It would sense brain activity using technology based on FMRI (Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging). The brain sensing chips are not yet available, but Intel research scientist Dean Pomerleau thinks they are close.
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Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 28 Nov 2009, 16:03:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'J')ust what we need !!

The advancement of technology - A couple of years ago I thought we would all have an RS232 port up our arse !!!

Gasmon


...as you might yell, "Just what we need,..." to a river.

Whether you like it or not, there IS a raging sci-tech boom going on. A lot of it is fascinating.

You don't like talking about real things, I guess?
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Unread postby 2cher » Sat 28 Nov 2009, 16:25:53

I am not letting intel near my brain!!!!
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 28 Nov 2009, 16:30:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('2cher', 'I') am not letting intel near my brain!!!!
Yes, but what about all the other parts of you? Hmmm?
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby lowem » Mon 30 Nov 2009, 01:25:22

Now that would be a pretty expensive contact lens to lose, wouldn't it?
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 30 Nov 2009, 17:20:37

As always when it comes to these technological developments, my first thought is "COOL!".

Then I spend the next 4 hours imagining all of the ways it could be exploited by someone with malicious intent.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Maddog78 » Mon 30 Nov 2009, 17:37:12

That would be sweet for the first few days until this showed up. :lol:

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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby evilgenius » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 13:47:21

Who says that by the time a brain chip is developed it would have to be implanted?
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby flapjax » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 14:54:54

The ultimate cheat sheet; too cool for school when you have the interwebs beemed directly to your eyes and you can navigate your personal gui with just a thought. I'm in! Sign me up for Millionare when it's over.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 15:43:58

Oh, you guys aren't near imaginative enough.

The brain forms distinct patterns for various thoughts. If I'm not mistaken, a researcher recently discovered that brainwave patterns are identifiable from person to person.

This naturally leads to the idea of using mental symbols to identify certain functions on a brain-resident computer. There could be thousands of such functions. A mathematician could just think of a certain algorithm routine to invoke it. He could mentally plug-in values and arrive at an answer without all that calculator/keypad nonsense.

Later, as direct brain interfaces are explored/developed, a symbiosis between natural and AI intelligence will be actively sought. This isn't just a pretty sci-fi story any more. It's no longer even incipient. It's a science/technology growth area that exists now.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby flapjax » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 15:57:17

Found this on CNN today
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/sma ... smb/4.html
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he $299 Epoc headset launches in early 2010, along with the Windows software that calibrates it. Emotiv's four scientist-founders hope to make it the basis of a whole new system of computer game playing: "Pressing a button to cast a magic spell doesn't give you a fulfilling experience," Lee explains. "But thinking that spell does."



If this is just a consumer toy, then Carlhole's observation could not be more correct. What do you think Carl, should we humans embrace becoming cyborgs if/when it becomes mainstream?
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 16:11:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')h, you guys aren't near imaginative enough. The brain forms distinct patterns for various thoughts. If I'm not mistaken, a researcher recently discovered that brainwave patterns are identifiable from person to person.
You're right. Some thought patterns could even be flagged as inappropriate - thought crimes, if you will. Or better yet, since it's WiFi-enabled, what's to stop some little script kiddie from hacking it? Does the data go both ways? Maybe certain ogranizations who's names are 3 letters long might have an interest in technology that can influence an individual's behaviour remotely.

Trust me, my imagination is quite fertile.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 16:23:56

The rapid science/technology growth that has accompanied the Industrial Revolution has more or less got a life of its own now. There is nothing that will stop scientific exploration now. I rather regard it as an emergent evolutionary process that is nearly impossible to derail.

At the same time, the human population of the world is altogether non-sustainable and quite unhealthy. What does Gaia have in mind? Why did she create apes? So they would do their thing, no doubt, and create the next dramatic evolutionary possibility.

I'm pretty much in line with Singularity thinking along these lines - once thinking machines are building/designing the next generation of thinking machines - this introduces a whole new line of evolution. Since biology offers lots of advantages over non-living components, there will be a morphing of the biological with the artificial. This seems to be an unstoppable human goal. People as we know them today, might soon become like H. Erectus.

The important question may not be: "Will there be a die-off?"; it might instead be, "Will it matter?".

Back just a couple of years ago, if you opened your mouth about the Singularity, you were jeered as a rapturing geek. But it's possible, now, to point to all kinds of successful, intensive R&D along many separate lines that will eventually result in machines approaching the human and the human approaching machines.

Anybody who contemplates the future based on current, cutting-edge trends, can never be accurate. But it's reasonable to recognize that people will never quit working on this stuff. There is no reason to suspect that scientists in this area are up against some kind of intellectual brickwall, too complex for anyone to understand and use.
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Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 16:25:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')h, you guys aren't near imaginative enough. The brain forms distinct patterns for various thoughts. If I'm not mistaken, a researcher recently discovered that brainwave patterns are identifiable from person to person.
You're right. Some thought patterns could even be flagged as inappropriate - thought crimes, if you will. Or better yet, since it's WiFi-enabled, what's to stop some little script kiddie from hacking it? Does the data go both ways? Maybe certain ogranizations who's names are 3 letters long might have an interest in technology that can influence an individual's behaviour remotely.

Trust me, my imagination is quite fertile.


Those are just technical problems. Those would only occur after the fact of brain-resident computing (the main event).
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Arthur75 » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 16:32:19

Again with the new "singularity is coming" religion ...
(previous ones, religions that is, had the great merit of creating art, this one just creates boring technical promises PR statements, slogans, and buzz words, a bit sad .. :cry: )
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 16:55:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', 'A')gain with the new "singularity is coming" religion ...
(previous ones, religions that is, had the great merit of creating art, this one just creates boring technical promises PR statements, slogans, and buzz words, a bit sad .. :cry: )


It's not a religion. It's just noticing certain strong directions in science that are valuable and possible. Then making a good guess about the future.

The predominant idea on PeakOil.com is that declining energy supplies will choke off civilization and it will crumble. However, most people on this forum seem knee-jerk eager to throw out all Science and Technology along with Chevy Tahoe.

Listen, babies, obtaining knowledge and know-how is a basic human drive. You can't stop it even under the most dire circumstances. In fact, it is under dire circumstances that great periods of invention and insight finally arrive.

To be a doomer, you have to believe that this basic human drive will somehow stop working in the service of invention, adaptation, new insight, etc. This never has made any sense to me. Also, I have no reason to believe that well-designed experimental facilities like NIF and CERN and the thousands of other research institutions will suddenly come up empty-handed at the End Of All Possible Knowledge.

I see the population shrinking to accommodate some new way of living and advancing in a world whose ecosystems and resources have to be maintained. This impetus creates an evolutionary pressure on mankind - which responds using science/technology.

It's as natural as the dawn.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 17:23:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')To be a doomer, you have to believe that this basic human drive will somehow stop working in the service of invention, adaptation, new insight, etc.


But this has happened before, with the decline of past civilizations there is usually a loss of accumulated knowledge. So it's not like we're just making this up.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')This impetus creates an evolutionary pressure on mankind - which responds using science/technology.


And which ultimately comes up a day late and a dollar short.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Arthur75 » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 18:00:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
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It's not a religion. It's just noticing certain strong directions in science that are valuable and possible. Then making a good guess about the future.


Ok it might be better described as a form of Cargo cultism in its purest, but also primitive form, that's true.
(or a new trivial non self realizing version of the golem story or myth)

However, you should also notice that you (or the associated PR statements) tend to jump back and forth between some kind of "continuous progress" vision, but also adding here and there a necessary discrete event in the future (as some stuff still seems to be lacking from the things put together).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')The predominant idea on PeakOil.com is that declining energy supplies will choke off civilization and it will crumble. However, most people on this forum seem knee-jerk eager to throw out all Science and Technology along with Chevy Tahoe.

Listen, babies, obtaining knowledge and know-how is a basic human drive. You can't stop it even under the most dire circumstances. In fact, it is under dire circumstances that great periods of invention and insight finally arrive.


This is not my position at all, yes we will have very serious issues especially related to energy and ressources in general, and by the way realizing these issues is also the result of the scientific approach, but this is not a reason to throw away the scientific approach and its possible technical realization at all, I agree. The problem is that, to me these PR statements are precisely symptoms of the real and honest scientific approach being thrown away. You take as granted premises that they are making major discoveries, I don't, in fact I know they aren't.
Moreover wouldn't be surprised if truly new stuff and insight don't come out these labs at all, or from people working in other fields, not forgetting that AI or artificial life or whatever is not adressing the issues related to ressources, or even the issues with technoly itself, again AI is indeed a form of cargo cultism, and a lazy dream.
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Re: You 2.0

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 18:03:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'B')ut this has happened before, with the decline of past civilizations there is usually a loss of accumulated knowledge. So it's not like we're just making this up.


There are all kinds of enormously impressive, hugely interesting science projects going on in the world today. All sorts of new possibilities are just before us. There's a sci-tech boom going on that is just jaw-dropping three times a week. The world's leaders look at the vast hordes of educated, driven, engineering and scientific talent in China and India. And they plot how all this talent can be developed and exploited. Of course, sci/tech will only gain tremendous momentum from this.

So, there are the two seemingly opposed trends at work in the world today: (1) population growth/resource destruction, peak oil, etc (2) explosive growth in science/technology.

Some new paradigm for human life will emerge after several decades which will have been shaped by these two (yin/yan) forces. There won't be any "complete collapse of civilization", even if there is eventually a population reduction.

Whatever the dominant intellectual power on Earth decides to be the optimum set of conditions, those conditions will occur.
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