[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')os, what worries me about a top-down model is the inevitability of the Government pandering more to corporate interests than those of the populace. It's a hard habit to break.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')
Don't get me started about your country. I can't believe it's slid into the nanny-state where everyone spies on each other and you can be ticketed for using banned words. I'm mostly of Welsh and Scottish stock, so it pains me to see that.
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[errorist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_strategic_petroleum_reserves#China

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')os, what worries me about a top-down model is the inevitability of the Government pandering more to corporate interests than those of the populace. It's a hard habit to break.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'Y')ea, I'd be interested to read that.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'Y')ea, I'd be interested to read that.

[Jotapay]

I am extremely energy efficient in my home and daily life. I ride a 65mpg Honda scooter to commute to work and the store, I don't use the clothes drier, I don't use the house air conditioner and heater hardly at all and I turn off vampire electrical devices. I don't water my grass (turf grass is a ridiculous idea). I grow my own vegetables.

I do have a dog, however, which has been called environmental assassination in the past 2 weeks by the MSM.

But NO ONE is going to bully me about my own home, fine me for unlawfully occupying my own home or try and dispossess me of it. No one.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') am extremely energy efficient in my home and daily life. I ride a 65mpg Honda scooter to commute to work and the store, I don't use the clothes drier, I don't use the house air conditioner and heater hardly at all and I turn off vampire electrical devices. I do have a dog, however, which has been called environmental assassination in the past 2 weeks by the MSM.

But NO ONE is going to bully me about my own home, fine me for unlawfully occupying my own home or try and dispossess me of it. No one.

[Dr. Ofellati]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')
Why is it that half of the thrust of this site is slamming sheeple for their Hummers and McMansions and the other half is spent fearmongering that TPTB will start micromanaging our consumption like some kind of Sarah Palin talking point?

[Dr. Ofellati]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')Some people, presumably, would much rather hold onto their freedoms at the expense of any hopes of a controlled energy descent. To me that is an unacceptable tradeoff.

[Dr. Ofellati]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')os, what worries me about a top-down model is the inevitability of the Government pandering more to corporate interests than those of the populace. It's a hard habit to break.

[Dr. Ofellati]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'e')

[Dr. Ofellati]

This is the best thread in PO.com in as long as I can remember.

It'll be fun when the big sh-t starts reaching the fan.

This has been great, and it's only a minor bit of defecation.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '1'). How energy-efficient is your house?

2. And isn't there a timeframe for becoming compliant?

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dr. Ofellati', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'e')

[dorlomin]

Once a country acknowledges the reality of near peak oil many of the problems become tractable engineering ones rather than those of lassitude and inaction. We alreay have a basic template with which to plan for dealing with this crisis, the way democracies responded to total war in WWII. That required a loss of liberties, a top down comand economy and extreme hardship. But democracy survived and thrived, people adapted and adjusted and the world kept turning.

If people are too surrender there personal liberties then they have to take more responsibility for montioring and engaging with the political process. If you surrender choice to wider social need, then you have to become more a part of wider society.

The current insular fetishism of the individual is an aberration in human political terms. We have mostly lived in less indiviualistic but more alutristic societies. Societies that can graps this have a big advantage over those that think individual rights and lack of attention will continue for any length of time.

[deMolay]

I kind of take a contrary view on that, as the unwinding gets really going I think we will see less and less of the Gubmint. Costs of projecting power.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '1')05 mil/bbl by 2030?

I do wonder what they project in between now and then, like for 2020, and for 2012 and 2016...

I'd say if they have figures projected for those years, and 2012 rolls around and the figures are lower than projected for 2012 or even lower than 2008, it'd be pretty obvious what 2030 is going to look like.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '
')We just need to ask Mr. OilFinder for a list of "fields yet to be developed" with their expected production by 2013.