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Complacency is a mental disease

Unread postby vegasmade » Sun 01 May 2005, 15:20:55

Our minds have become the ultimate wasteland. Conditioning and convienence have eroded all advantages our advanced brains once held. We've gone from masters of our universe to beasts of the field, without realizing that we conceeded anything. The scope of our thought rarely exceeds the bad jokes of our must see tv. We bow at the alter of consumerism, worship our possesions, and praise conformisim. We spend our lives accumulating petty little trinkets of little actual purpose and even less real value. We fill our bodies with chemicals, watch our asses grow, and then wallow in our own misery, as a natural cycle of life. The people who actually claim health do it for the wrong reasons-sex appeal being the leading motivator. We work our 40 hours and then spend the other 100+/week trying not to work at anything. All the while thinking this is the pinnacle of civilization. What an illusion it is. And oh how our eyes decieve us. In the land of wealth and opportunity, we squander the wealth by snorting the opportunity.
But it's not our fault. Okay, maybe it is, but it doesn't matter, right? No, it no longer does. Our collective free will has abandonded us to unsustainable lives and a bleak reality. The future looks even worse, but at least some have shaken off the dream and actually opened our eyes. Kinda hurts that first time, doesn't it? The pain is so overwhelming, many will choose to close them again and humm their favorite theme song into oblivion. Those we cannot help. Hell, it's hard to make sense of all this with the lingering headache. We can pass along the information, but they still have that free will. And though we know which choice they'll make, we must stand by. The people who recognize reality were the ones already looking for it. It is us who are the future. We are the thinking, seeing, humans. They are robots, conditioned for nothing more than sucking the life out of living. Sure many have hobbies and interests that get them off their seat occasionally, but all are still too brain dead to search out truth and knowledge. They stiffle it with conditioning and the status quo. They allow themselves to be divided into parts, taking on unyielding positions, repeating party lines, and spreading their blissfull idiocy. All the while, the dividers fuel the hate. Hate of each other, and hate of oneself. Perpetuating the cycle.
The age of empathy is over. It is descision time. Either care or don't. The fewer who figure it out now the better. We can't save an already over extended planet by supporting the problem. All the easy descisions made and inherited have left the hardest ones for the present. Sacrifice is inevitable. I'd give my life to prevent the impending disaster, but that choice isn't available. I have only the choice to forward the information and let free will do the rest. Not a situation to enjoy, but it's the fun and games that got us here. Plan for the worst, and leave hope to the rest. Prepare yourself to face your fears. Most things are beyond your control, be responsible for those that are. And smile! Relish the idea of begining again. Rebirth is the circle of life. Embrace the world, it's beauties and wonders, but never forget the cause of our current dilema. Those of us who embrace the truth have an obligation to remake the world in a better form. We only lose by going the way of the dinosaur.
Don't allow yourself to be overwhelmed. Embrace the future, no matter what comes of it. Embrace each other, those who've removed the blinders. Embrace freedom, the kind your mind will feel once you've shaken off the headache. Your heart will follow, and then you'll have it. The meaning of life may very well be progression. Progression of our souls and the enviornment that molds them. We are leaving a chapter of humanity while preparing to write the next one. At no time in history have the few held that power, and fathomed the responsibility that that power brings. We share this burden, the pain isn't felt by just one. And it's the pain that allows for pleasure.
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Unread postby lorenzo » Sun 01 May 2005, 16:10:35

I think you are describing a tiny micro minority of people on the planet, namely the average Anglosaxon Protestant.

I understand that you can only describe the world you know, but I can tell you that I don't recognize anything of what you write, neither would my friends or family.

So please don't generalize. You are describing a very specific culture (Anglosaxon Protestant consumer capitalism), not a series of general human traits or habits.
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Re: Complacency is a mental disease

Unread postby lorenzo » Sun 01 May 2005, 16:28:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'O')ur minds have become the ultimate wasteland.


I don't agree. Our minds have never been so flexible and have never been exposed to managing so many diverse streams of information.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', ' ')Conditioning and convienence have eroded all advantages our advanced brains once held.


I don't agree. Material convenience has made it possible for us to use our brains more effectively and more often. People used to be busy with hunting for food, cooking it, eating it, sleeping, having sex - nothing more. Today, we don't waste time on these things. Instead, we have more free time to think.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'T')he scope of our thought rarely exceeds the bad jokes of our must see tv.


Good of you to use the cliché that we're all dumb people speaking only the things we've seen on TV. To stick with the metaphor and to take it literally: a recent (controversial) study shows that watching TV makes one smart.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', ' ')We bow at the alter of consumerism, worship our possesions, and praise conformisim.


You are solely talking about Anglosaxons here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', ' ')We fill our bodies with chemicals, watch our asses grow, and then wallow in our own misery, as a natural cycle of life.


Obesity, diabetes and unhealthy lifestyles are mainly an Anglosaxon affair. Sorry to repeat this.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'T')he people who actually claim health do it for the wrong reasons-sex appeal being the leading motivator.


Repetitio: a typical trait of Anglosaxon culture is its fear of sexuality. Their sexual culture is shallow and immature: either hypocritical puritanism or porn all the way. No position in between. Normal, mature erotic relationships are the biggest taboo in Anglosaxon culture.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', ' ')We work our 40 hours and then spend the other 100+/week trying not to work at anything.


What did I say? The hilarious Protestant Work Ethic has you in its grip!

What would be wrong with being lazy? Djee, I truly hate Protestant petitesse! I prefer the aristocratic art of being totally lazy.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', ' ')All the while thinking this is the pinnacle of civilization. What an illusion it is. And oh how our eyes decieve us. In the land of wealth and opportunity, we squander the wealth by snorting the opportunity.
But it's not our fault. Okay, maybe it is, but it doesn't matter, right? No, it no longer does. Our collective free will has abandonded us to unsustainable lives and a bleak reality. The future looks even worse, but at least some have shaken off the dream and actually opened our eyes. Kinda hurts that first time, doesn't it? The pain is so overwhelming, many will choose to close them again and humm their favorite theme song into oblivion. Those we cannot help. Hell, it's hard to make sense of all this with the lingering headache. We can pass along the information, but they still have that free will. And though we know which choice they'll make, we must stand by. The people who recognize reality were the ones already looking for it. It is us who are the future. We are the thinking, seeing, humans. They are robots, conditioned for nothing more than sucking the life out of living. Sure many have hobbies and interests that get them off their seat occasionally, but all are still too brain dead to search out truth and knowledge. They stiffle it with conditioning and the status quo. They allow themselves to be divided into parts, taking on unyielding positions, repeating party lines, and spreading their blissfull idiocy. All the while, the dividers fuel the hate. Hate of each other, and hate of oneself. Perpetuating the cycle.
The age of empathy is over. It is descision time. Either care or don't. The fewer who figure it out now the better. We can't save an already over extended planet by supporting the problem. All the easy descisions made and inherited have left the hardest ones for the present. Sacrifice is inevitable. I'd give my life to prevent the impending disaster, but that choice isn't available. I have only the choice to forward the information and let free will do the rest. Not a situation to enjoy, but it's the fun and games that got us here. Plan for the worst, and leave hope to the rest. Prepare yourself to face your fears. Most things are beyond your control, be responsible for those that are. And smile! Relish the idea of begining again. Rebirth is the circle of life. Embrace the world, it's beauties and wonders, but never forget the cause of our current dilema. Those of us who embrace the truth have an obligation to remake the world in a better form. We only lose by going the way of the dinosaur.
Don't allow yourself to be overwhelmed. Embrace the future, no matter what comes of it. Embrace each other, those who've removed the blinders. Embrace freedom, the kind your mind will feel once you've shaken off the headache. Your heart will follow, and then you'll have it. The meaning of life may very well be progression. Progression of our souls and the enviornment that molds them. We are leaving a chapter of humanity while preparing to write the next one. At no time in history have the few held that power, and fathomed the responsibility that that power brings. We share this burden, the pain isn't felt by just one. And it's the pain that allows for pleasure.
Good Luck


Dude, you should urgently learn to relax. Go to Brazil or France for a few weeks, and try to be a bit more Catholic. Really, if there's one thing I would blame if I were you, it would be your Protestant upbringing.

Go away. Go watch the girls on some beach in Brazil. And if you meet them, don't immediately start off by telling them that they shouldn't sit on their lazy derrières.
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Sun 01 May 2005, 16:37:22

I accidently got confirmed in an Anglosaxon Protestant church :(
What the hell does anglo saxon have to do with anything, is this anglo saxon thing a joke?
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Unread postby vegasmade » Sun 01 May 2005, 16:39:38

A great post and I agree fully. I realize some qualification was entirely necessary. I apologize at the generalization. I've seen so many threads from people who can't understand letting go. They were probably typical WASPs. It's refreshing to hear there are places not plauged by what I spoke of. Not that there shouldn't be, our delusion of grandeour is ours and I fit the form.
Your post is perfect for my intended audience. There are people living just fine outside of our twisted and limited reality.
Where is it you are at? I'm just curious. If you can't relate to my little rant it sounds like a delightful place. Best of luck to you postPO
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Unread postby vegasmade » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:02:33

Lorenzo-You're absolutely right. An extended vacation out of the waste land is exactly what i've always wanted. Even before the revelation of peak oil, I knew getting out of here was necessary for me. I do not watch tv, I try to live a minimalist/spartan lifestyle, and have been thinking tropical beach lifestyle longer than i've been an adult. Chilling out is my middle name, i'm with you there man. Raxozanne may have been the post I saw that, with others, pushed me to write all that. I live in a country dominated by the stated train of thought. Most of my family and so-called friends would have a hard time arguing with my statements. And it drives me bonkers. This enviorment strangles induviduals and zapps the resolve to change. I live in a state of intellectual isolation, not sure if my disintrest in the status quo is justified or certifiably insane. To seek help would guarantee head drugs, so I haven't. And though I'm not new to the net, only very recently have I had access like I now enjoy. It may have saved my life. The reminders from people like you-that this isn't the only way it's being lived are refreshing and motivating. Thank You very much
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Unread postby Wildwell » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:25:24

So first we generalise everything, then Lorenzo says its all Anglo-Saxons (is this racist?) who ‘We bow at the alter of consumerism, worship our possessions, and praise conformism.’, meanwhile posting on another thread about wanting to buy a cute little car.

*pauses*

You people worried about loosing credibility at any point? The negativism on this site is painful and actually quite destructive and certainly isn’t going to achieve much. Don't assume everyone is interested in money, taking drugs, having 12 sex partners, worships possessions and so on. Some people have an 'interest' in things they own, achieve and do, quite different from worship.
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:35:02

Democracy is a lie that is designed to make us believe that we have a choice when in fact none exists. As long as the leaders make us believe there is choice then they can justify the way things are and keep us relatively under control. Big business and greed runs the real show. The figures show that ever more people are not bothering to vote, wonder why? Wonder why there are increasingly more people being locked up?

Society and our way of life ensures that everyone takes their place as a cog in this capitalist machine. This society makes me depressed, I will be a happy cog is the machine stopped and I fell out.
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Unread postby Wildwell » Sun 01 May 2005, 17:46:13

I’m not sure democracy works anyway; it just panders to people’s wants and the current ‘conventional wisdom’. Democracies are also high energy. If we had a dictatorship (I’m not saying we should!) it would cure the ‘peak oil’ problem, tomorrow.

But the beauty of a democracy is you have the power of argument and you can form your own political party, take part in one and persuade people to follow if you don’t like the current system.
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Unread postby vegasmade » Sun 01 May 2005, 18:02:57

Raxozanne-I agree. Your reality and mine jive pretty well, minus the pond and 2500 additional miles. Maybe we just need to leave the happy cogs behind and roll off to a more friendly locale. If you find us Lorenzo, the drinks are on me. Wildwell you're welcome too, same offer.
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Re: Complacency is a mental disease

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 01 May 2005, 19:03:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')Material convenience has made it possible for us to use our brains more effectively and more often. People used to be busy with hunting for food, cooking it, eating it, sleeping, having sex - nothing more. Today, we don't waste time on these things. Instead, we have more free time to think.

I'd have to disagree with you there. The premise of techno-industrial society seems to be to keep you so entirely busy that you have no time to think. '"The business of America is busi-ness," Calvin Coolidge.

Furthermore, that contradicts the anthropological record. Take the American Indians of the Pacific Northwest. They lived such a life of abundance that they could stroll down to the river bank, grab a salmon, be well fed for the entire day and enjoy as much thinking as they like.

They lived in such abundance that that one of their customs included the "potlach" ceremony, where tribal groups would get together and give each other all their stuff.

The idea that pre-agricultural, pre-industrial people spent every waking minute trying to feed themselves and procreate is simply ludicrous.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')Obesity, diabetes and unhealthy lifestyles are mainly an Anglosaxon affair. Sorry to repeat this.

Uhh, you're like way wrong there. One of the highest rates of diabetes in the United States is among American Indians. This has nothing to do with personality or character traits. It has to do with nutrition and the amount of time a population has been exposed to the foods of agriculture. The lowest rates of alchoholism exist in populations that have been exposed to alcohol the longest. Low in Mediterranean culture, moderate to high in N. European population, very high in American Indian, Australian Aborigine. Same goes for diabetes and many other auto-immune diseases. Described more aptly as "diseases of civilization."
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Unread postby lorenzo » Sun 01 May 2005, 19:40:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I') accidently got confirmed in an Anglosaxon Protestant church :(
What the hell does anglo saxon have to do with anything, is this anglo saxon thing a joke?


In many Latin and/or Catholic cultures where life is lived to the fullest and in a spirit of hedonistic maturity (Europe, Brazil, Latin America, Catholic Africa, the Philippines, etc...), we use the term "Anglosaxon" to refer to a certain mentality, based on Anglo-American protestantism.

It's quite a standard term, crafted by the famous sociologist Max Weber, who wrote the classic "Protestantism and the Capitalist Work Ethic" (dunno the correct title in English).

You will hear the term often in all kinds of civil society debates, like the one in Europe about the Constitution right now. Chirac and Shröder and everybody over here asks: "how can we counter the cold, dispassionate, bookkeepers mentality of the Anglosaxons? We don't want this. We like life too much. Let's dance and drink, let Anglosaxons do the books", etc...

It's quite a widely used terminology.
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Unread postby Wildwell » Sun 01 May 2005, 20:15:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I') accidently got confirmed in an Anglosaxon Protestant church :(
What the hell does anglo saxon have to do with anything, is this anglo saxon thing a joke?


I’m not sure where Lorenzo comes from, but I have to say I am quite offended by the Anglo-Saxon thing. I take it he means the British and Americans. Of course, both the countries are mongrel nations. Britain is about as hotch-potch as you can get, even today. But the Anglo-Saxons are Germanic, the group that makes up Germany, the Northern European lowlands, parts of Scandinavia and Austria. Britain is a mix of the Celts (Scots, Welsh and Cornish), the ancient Britons, Scandinavians and allsorts of other influences like the Normans, Danes, Romans.

Today you still have regional accents that change every 20 miles or less, people from the north west sound northing like people from London, The north east and so on. Most towns have their own dialects and local sayings, people from certain parts of the country actually look slightly different even today. Then you have Irish, Jewish, Black, Asian and other influences.

Of course then the mongrel Britons went to the new world, Australia, New Zealand, America and make up a large part of those nations, which are in them a hot pitch of nations and tribes. So if that’s what Lorenzo actually means it’s a gross over generalisation of the worst kind, it’s hardly a pure race. I don’t think you’d find many ‘pure’ Britons or Americans and Australians for that matter. The Australian accent is a combination of a London and Birmingham accent.

Well I hope Europe are very happy together, for the 5 minutes they agree, I don't think Britain will be having the Euro or the constitution, nor will we be the next state of America.
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Unread postby vegasmade » Sun 01 May 2005, 20:45:15

First of all, this was directed to anyone who found it to apply. Everyone and no one. As far as classiffing by race, let's just chill with that. Call us whitey, call us whatever, don't target any definable group. And let's not get excited about fitting in or not fitting in, any named or unnamed group.
It's ruined the tone of a perfectly sour post. Besides, the whole point of this site is remembering we're all humans, we've all got a stake in what goes on here (earth), and only through knowledge can anything work. Here, there whenever! So on that note, I'd like to point out that if you actually read my post and this thread, and it didn't apply to you. Well you just got an idea why we re-elected the cowboy, they could have stole the vote and everyone's too hypnotized to care.
As far as the glowing reference to Catholics, you committed the same sin I did, not taking into account the multitude who reads this. American catholics don't even go church (50%+/- from a decade or two ago), the hiearchy either seems to be a pedophile or covering for one, and the pope seems to be against, hedonistic maturity. Whatever that means. They do like abstinence, no contreception, and life. Please no definition, much nicer for everyone to imagine.
So to return this to a psyche thread, how does PO affect your societies?
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Unread postby Ludi » Sun 01 May 2005, 21:34:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he age of empathy is over.


There's certainly lots in this thread to comment on, but that comment jumped out at me. When did the "age of empathy" start, 'cause I sure missed it!

Oh, and of course Lorenzo's bigotry jumped out at me, but we all know he's a bigot, so, no biggie.

However, I am in favor of the Hedonist Sloth Ethic, so he and I have one thing in common.
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Unread postby Raxozanne » Mon 02 May 2005, 05:10:16

I think that democracy started out meaning well: securing peace and rights for the public etc. but now it has become like Efrafa warren in Watership Down. Now that the country is overcrowded the emphasis is now on keeping people in line and in their place and making sure that they don't rock the boat. Making sure that people are controlled in every aspect of their lives. The thing is people don't like to be controlled, we weren't meant to be controlled. If you value freedom then you won't like democracy.
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Re: Complacency is a mental disease

Unread postby rerere » Mon 02 May 2005, 11:43:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 't')ry to be a bit more Catholic.


Like you are? What part of Catholic dogma supports your 'kill all the Americans' postion?

Or perhaps you need to follow your own advise and 'try to be a bit more Catholic.' eh?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
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Again, more good advice for you to take.
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