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Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 15:44:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dr. Ofellati', 'W')hen they put a man in jail for discussing history and his opinion of it, is that living and let living?

When I get discriminated against for being white, is that live and let living?
That's what you really mean.

That is something I have always wondered about... the Europeans govs and their "thought police".

Of all the atrocities attributed to Europeans be it imperialism, genocide, etc, the worst foisted on the world is probably their perfection of political correctness.

People seem to have real trouble with staying in the middle area of the pendulum swing.

On the other point, I like what Reverend William John Henry Boetcker (1873-1962) said in "Ten Carrots" to that:

* You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man's initiative and independence.
* You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.


Very true, each one. The thought police in the EU, and especially in the UK, is growing in power. People are worse sheep in the EU than in most places. They've been perfectly brainwashed to believe that every intrusion into every orifice is for the common good and to "prevent farmer Jones from coming back."

To put a man in jail for his words is among the most contemptible of crimes, and, if we ever do get to a stable and decent world, of which I hold out little hope, it seems to me inconceivable that they won't look back on the laws we have now criminalizing disagreeable speech as a severe retraction of basic human liberty that occurred at the end of the 2nd millennium, AD.
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 15:51:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'O')K, enough with the hitler crap. if AD and DrO want to duke it out I suggest you do it via PM.

This is the last thread you muck up, you with me?


Not sure what you mean by "the Hilter crap."

Are you saying that any discussion of the Jewish experience in WWII is not permissible?

Or are you saying that any discussion of Jews and/or Jewish culture and/or Israel that can be construed by those predisposed to such construing as negative is not permissible?

The reason I'd like clarification, Pops, is because Israel and Jewish culture in general is critical to the next 20 years.

Or were you just referring to a specific thread?
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby americandream » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 16:00:11

The thought police work both ways ofelatti. They can also send you to places you shouldn't go which leads to destabilisation of those places, refugees in Europe, the rise of political correctness and the very disempowerment you feel. We are advised to let others be so as we may be, in our homelands. The major reason Europe is overrun with ME refugees is due to the fact that the ME is overrun with oil intrigue, stooge (read pro EU and US) leadership, mismanagement and war.

If we can get used to the idea of paying them market prices for their commodities, letting them elect leaders they want rather than what we want, I think we will quickly find them staying at home and a quick resolution of all problems you encounter. The USSR had strict population movement for good reason. Why migrate when conditions at home are as good as the place you wish to migrate to.

It is up to us to encourage our governments to get out of the habit of trying to make the world as they want and to also abide by the rule of the market. Don't intervene, even if it means you pay top dollar for the commodity.
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby Pops » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 19:17:00

I'm referring to you and AD having a running argument from thread to thread throughout the site.

Refer to the title of the thread if you need clarification of the topic at hand.

IOW, stay on topic.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby americandream » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 19:46:23

Yeah I know pops. It ain't good the way this dude and I have been arguing. Sorry. Holocaust denial fires me up big time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'m referring to you and AD having a running argument from thread to thread throughout the site.

Refer to the title of the thread if you need clarification of the topic at hand.

IOW, stay on topic.
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 21:51:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')eah I know pops. It ain't good the way this dude and I have been arguing. Sorry. Holocaust denial fires me up big time.


Only a fraction of how criminalizing free speech fires me up.
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby americandream » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 22:08:15

There are limits to everything. I'm sure I'ld be done for sedition were I to mouth off willy nilly.

Some of my South African Afrikaner relatives served in Hitler's forces (much to my enduring shame) during WWII (many Afrikaners sided with Hitler in a revolt against the British) and it is fairly common knowledge even now what Hitler was up to.

I once met an old British serviceman who had liberated a Nazi death camp and he saw the gas chambers first hand. I also met a camp survivor who had lost his family and was tatooed with a number.

I have no doubt that denialism is mischief bordering on sedition and should be thus judged just as I would be were I to go off at a tangent.

Now, with due regard to Pops, this discussion is over for me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dr. Ofellati', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')eah I know pops. It ain't good the way this dude and I have been arguing. Sorry. Holocaust denial fires me up big time.


Only a fraction of how criminalizing free speech fires me up.
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Re: Joe Sparano: The Facts about the Peak Oil Theory

Unread postby Dr. Ofellati » Thu 05 Nov 2009, 07:43:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I') have no doubt that denialism [is sedition]


So there it is, plain as yogurt. You think that a person who disagrees with the government's story of [pick official bunk] is committing a crime against the country.

Like I said - your view is quite simple - "Live and let live, according to me."
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