Just google it mate.
From my recollection of the plight of Latinos in the States (a group of desperate Mexicans tried to rob me and my pregnant wife in Miami in broad daylight and it was down and out Hispanics who harrassed us in Port Authority, New York), you guys need to be concentrating on your state of disadvantage and doing something about it rather than selling out in the hope you might get a few crumbs thrown your way. Its been tried here in New Zealand by the Maori and it does not work.
[quote="Cloud9"]Yes I know AD Mexicans caught it in the LA riots too. I wanted to see the proof of events in NO. I full well expect that minorities will catch it on the chin should a break down occur. It should be remembered that different races constitute the minority in different parts of the country.[/quot
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Re: Violent Cutback Level (VCL)
by americandream » Mon 02 Nov 2009, 21:50:42
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Re: Violent Cutback Level (VCL)
by Newfie » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 08:35:17
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A lot of the country is there already.
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A lot of the country is there already.
Which areas of the country are "lawless"?
Ludi, "lawless" is not a matter of black or white, there are degrees. I would say that there are segments of our inner cities that are far more "lawless" than our xburbs or suburbs. ( Although, my experience growing up in a very small community makes me think that it can happen there as well.)
In Camden, N.J. the political system has broken down and the Major is a largely ceremonial post, the city is run by a State appointed overseer. The murder rate continually runs among the highest in the nation. The murder rates in Philadelphia, across the river in PA, are also very high, as they are in other major cities.
The Government has never been able to get a handle on the drug problem. I think it is clear that the 'gangs' are a type of local government (albeit a nasty one) that rules certain areas, think Cabrini Greens. My theory is that if economic/medical/food conditions deteriorate these 'lawless' areas will expand. Government does not have the resources to stop it.
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Re: Violent Cutback Level (VCL)
by Cloud9 » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 09:04:40
Unfortunantly government constraints intended intended to control criminals prevent decent people from taking back their streets. Arson laws and the burning of crack houses come to mind.
Absent the iron fist of the state, citizens might take back their own areas.
Absent the iron fist of the state, citizens might take back their own areas.
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Re: Violent Cutback Level (VCL)
by rangerone314 » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 09:38:56
Make membership in a criminal organization punishible by death. (Classify membership in a criminal organization as participation in an ongoing conspiracy to commit crimes ala RICO)
Step 1: Hold a trial to determine if a criminal gang meets the criteria.
Step 2: Hold trials to determine membership.
Step 3: Execute all the members.
Warehousing criminals doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to give a person a death penalty for one murder that they quite possibly might have not done if evidence was fabricated or faulty.
On the otherhand, executing career criminals who make criminal activity a way of life seems like a pretty good way to avoid executing "innocent" people. Kill all the multiple felons, empty the prisons that way, the streets get cleaner.
Step 1: Hold a trial to determine if a criminal gang meets the criteria.
Step 2: Hold trials to determine membership.
Step 3: Execute all the members.
Warehousing criminals doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to give a person a death penalty for one murder that they quite possibly might have not done if evidence was fabricated or faulty.
On the otherhand, executing career criminals who make criminal activity a way of life seems like a pretty good way to avoid executing "innocent" people. Kill all the multiple felons, empty the prisons that way, the streets get cleaner.
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Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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Re: Violent Cutback Level (VCL)
by Ludi » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 09:44:25
Flint Michigan has something like 40% unemployment. Are folks rioting there?
What about Detroit? Are folks rioting?
What about Detroit? Are folks rioting?
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Re: Violent Cutback Level (VCL)
by dinopello » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 10:18:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'F')lint Michigan has something like 40% unemployment. Are folks rioting there?
What about Detroit? Are folks rioting?
What about Detroit? Are folks rioting?
I would say not. Let's face it, there really hasn't been a decent riot in the US since the LA Riot in 1992. And, that pales in comparrision to the rest of the world's riots.
List of Riots
The largest, most deadly riot in US History (1863)
Interestingly, the first US riot listed - The Boston Bread Riot might be instructive.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the early 18th century, the city of Boston had very little arable land, and most grain had to be imported from surrounding areas or from abroad. It was common practice for the larger local grain merchants to hoard grain to drive up local prices, and to sell local grain in more lucrative foreign markets such as Europe or the sugar plantations of the West Indies. On top of this, Queen Anne's War (1702-1713) interfered with foreign trade. By 1709, Boston was experiencing a serious food shortage and skyrocketing bread prices.
The hardest hit were the working poor. Since they did not own land, and were therefore not allowed to vote, governmental indifference to their needs left violence as the only effective recourse. A percentage of the poor began an uprising against the government.
It doesn't say anyone lost their life though (as least due to the riot). But something did come of it
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter the Boston Bread Riot, acts were passed prohibiting exports of grain in time of shortage, fixing grain and bread prices at more reasonable levels, and establishing a public granary. These measures somewhat alleviated the immediate shortage, however, food shortages and the attendant rioting and looting recurred in Boston throughout the American Revolution and into the early 19th century.
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