[thuja]

Grow some brains!!!

This is a very serious issue that will effect every living person on the planet. And yet I have to read post after post by some survivalist or Insta-TEOTWAKIn concerning this issue. At least some of the noise has died down since the financial collapse of late 08. But still, where is the discerning analysis with real life discussions of implications? Instead I have had to read about doomsteads, guns, zombies and die-off in the next 5 years. Seriously, I think in a poll conducted a while back at least half of you believed that 5 billion people would die in the next 10 years. Puh--------leaze!

How about some thoughtful analysis along the lines of Hirsch and Orlov showing up? How about instead of hysterical rantings about an imminent apocalyptic world where we no longer need jobs or money, we talk about the real world effect of Peak Oil and how this affects Joe Citizen.

In other words, INsta-doomers, my gloves are off. Yes I will continue to brandish my swords against Cornies, but to the uber-doomers who are making a mockery of this issue- Begone! A vast sea of people need to have a comprehensive understanding of this issue...and stupid Green Rambo fantasies just won't cut it.

If OIl hits 125 to 150 again and I have to put up with this nonsense again I will go on on a rampage. I will join the Cornies in ridiculing you...

Get a grip...

[Dr. Ofellati]

"If" oil hits 150 again? You have doubt. A shame.

"How about instead of hysterical rantings . . ."

Was your post, above, neither a rant nor hysterical?

When you tell nonbelievers that peakoil is coming, are you not the hysterical raver?

Those who drive more slowly than us are idiots and those who drive faster are maniacs.

That's your point, right?

[Nefarious]

Good first post there "Doc". Welcome to the forum

[eastbay]

Welcome aboard Doc.

Thuja, questioning and discussing how to deal on a personal level with peak oil's much anticipated rampage is a natural and logical process. Fighting it is fighting Mother Nature.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
')How about some thoughtful analysis along the lines of Hirsch and Orlov showing up? How about instead of hysterical rantings about an imminent apocalyptic world where we no longer need jobs or money, we talk about the real world effect of Peak Oil and how this affects Joe Citizen.

[threadbear]

Hi Thuga, Agreed. The survivalists forget that the average citizen is urban, can't afford a doomstead, and has to make preps based on contingencies that have to change as we progress down a road that vanishes into the mists of the future. It's wise to do some basic prep and then wait and see what happens.

An ability to get along with others through the local community and having strong local friendships is the best survival skill and one that many of the survivalists will struggle with. Purchasing arms to protect yourself or family, can be a great and necessary practical solution. It concerns me though, when it's the first attitude an individual adopts in a stressful social situation. They often seem to be expressing some of the alienation and sour grapes that helped create the various, political, social and cultural problems, in the first place.

Though Peak oil theory is cathartic, useful, and will be revolutionary, I feel peak oil involvement provides a venue for a symptom set for some people, that would be best addressed through getting out more, networking in the real world, with real people and working on deep bitterness rooted in the individual's psyche.

Is this a part of what you are trying to express, too?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'H')ow about some thoughtful analysis along the lines of Hirsch and Orlov showing up? How about instead of hysterical rantings about an imminent apocalyptic world where we no longer need jobs or money, we talk about the real world effect of Peak Oil and how this affects Joe Citizen.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')getting out more, networking in the real world, with real people and working on deep bitterness rooted in the individual's psyche.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'H')ow about some thoughtful analysis along the lines of Hirsch and Orlov showing up? How about instead of hysterical rantings about an imminent apocalyptic world where we no longer need jobs or money, we talk about the real world effect of Peak Oil and how this affects Joe Citizen.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')getting out more, networking in the real world, with real people and working on deep bitterness rooted in the individual's psyche.

[dorlomin]

Despair is easy and the solice of believing you can insultate yourself with your foreknowledge is seductive.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '.')... thoughtful analysis ...

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')The next time will be farce....oil has already climbed back past $80, and when oil goes higher the whole economic collapse scenario will return, with an added farcial component of price controls, White House denunciations of evil speculators, and stimulus bills promising impossibly rapid conversion to electrical cars and electrical battery powered airplanes and ocean freighters.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')And with some trillion barrels in stated reserves ( and plenty more without even breaking a sweat ), we've got plenty to see us through whatever particular conversion scenario the markets, or the government, wants to decide is the "best" way to convert.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')And with some trillion barrels in stated reserves ( and plenty more without even breaking a sweat ), we've got plenty to see us through whatever particular conversion scenario the markets, or the government, wants to decide is the "best" way to convert.

[Nano]

Thuja, this is exactly the reason i decided way back to not get publicly involved with 'the peak oil community'. The issue attracts too many 'crazys and lazys'. It can also be readily used to promote (enviro)fascist or -communist agenda's.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', 'T')huja, this is exactly the reason i decided way back to not get publicly involved with 'the peak oil community'. The issue attracts too many 'crazys and lazys'. It can also be readily used to promote (enviro)fascist or -communist agenda's.

[Dr. Ofellati]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')
The next time will be farce....oil has already climbed back past $80, and when oil goes higher the whole economic collapse scenario will return, with an added farcial component of price controls, White House denunciations of evil speculators, and stimulus bills promising impossibly rapid conversion to electrical cars and electrical battery powered airplanes and ocean freighters.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', ' ')Seriously, I think in a poll conducted a while back at least half of you believed that 5 billion people would die in the next 10 years. Puh--------leaze!

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