[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', '
')Lead acid home systems have worked well for years

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', '
')Lead acid home systems have worked well for years

[Revi]

I don't believe in having a lot of batteries.

This EEstor thing is a great idea, if it actually works.

[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', '
')Lead acid home systems have worked well for years

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', '
')Don't tell that to the thousands of people living off grid with wind and solar for years.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')They ARE expensive. A set of lead acid forklift batteries suitable for home use costs like $5,000 and is really heavy.

[sparky]

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Thanks JRP3 , fascinating link ,I bookmarked it .

mos6507 , one only need a pallet forklift , the manual version can move tons on level ground

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[JRP3]

Mos, I don't understand the concern about battery weight in a home system. Do you worry about how much the blocks in your basement weigh, or the concrete? How often do you think you'll be moving your battery bank around? It's not an issue. I'm also not sure where you get that $5000 price tag. 16 225ah 6 volt Trojans will give you a 48 volt 21.6kwh pack for about $2400, which gives you 10kwh at less than 50% DOD, and by shallow cycling they would have a very long life. If you're careful and worked to keep your usage low you could cut the pack size and price in half.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')housands of off-gridders in a country of 300+ million people pretty much says it all. It wouldn't only be mere thousands if batteries were better.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'b')y shallow cycling they would have a very long life..

[sparky]

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The grid exist because it provide unrestricted power on a demand basis at 15 cents a Kilowatt


diesel back up exist because , associated wit uninterrupted power supplies,
you could be in a surgery theater and not worry about a drop in supplies

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[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'b')y shallow cycling they would have a very long life..

[TheAntiDoomer]

Hamilton: Race is on to build a better electric-car battery

http://www.thestar.com/business/cleanbr ... ar-battery

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Z')ENN, you may recall, owns a minority stake in Texas-based EEStor Inc., which is building a new energy-storage device based on ultracapacitor technology that could – if it works as promised – render conventional electro-chemical batteries obsolete. In addition to ZENN's 10.7 per cent ownership of EEStor, the company also has exclusive rights to use the technology in vehicles with a curb weight of up to 1,400 kilograms.

The Star in March 2006 was the first newspaper in the world to write about EEStor, which is partly funded by venture capital powerhouse Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers and has collaborated with Lockheed Martin to develop power-packed military weapons.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', '
')However for some people living far enough from the grid battery systems are already cheaper than trying to connect to the grid.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'H')amilton: Race is on to build a better electric-car battery

http://www.thestar.com/business/cleanbr ... ar-battery

[TheAntiDoomer]

Secretive Startup EEStor Worth More Than $1.5 Billion

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/eestor/#Replay

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')EStor, the ultracapacitor company that has produced more obscure technology milestone announcements than evidence of a working energy storage unit, may have an implied market value of more than $1.5 billion.

The secretive startup in Austin, Texas, claims to have developed a new kind of capacitor that can store enough energy to propel an electric car 300 miles on a single charge. The company is not publicly traded, so investors who want to speculate on its “breakthrough technology” claims have only one way to get in on the action: Zenn Motor Company (ZNN: CA) That publicly traded Canadian firm, which first made an equity investment in EEStor in 2007, has upped its stake at each key milestone, culminating in a 10.7% ownership stake today. As a result, investors in effect get a small investment in EEStor as part of the deal.

[mos6507]

That doesn't say anything. Mark Cuban was paid close to 6 billion dollars for Broadcast.com and what became of it?

[Demoth]

There is one possible reason for EEStor's continued silence and this could well involve Lockheed Martin. The smart grid projects have been classified to an extent even before Obama was in office. Someone could have told them to keep quiet.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/160075- ... smart-grid

http://www.greentechnologydaily.com/sma ... rid-market

http://www.greentechnologydaily.com/sol ... wer-system

If this technology pans out, it is indeed the next lightbulb. Even if the ceramics turn out to be too fragile for a vehicle power plant at this time, a cheap, compact and set/forget way to store any type of off grid or off peak grid power is major. First run specs with 1 million charge cycles before significant degradation occurs makes lead acid batteries look like a stone age hand axe.

Really, it's wait and see. I really can't see the names behind EEStor risking serious prison time for some kind of Zenn stock kickback. I'm hoping if this tech is legit, the feds will make EEStor share the patent rights with all comers for a minimal cost, thus making it widely and quickly adopted.

I'd also recommend against buying Zenn stock as they are parasites at this point and will be a confounding factor in getting this technology spread as fast as it should be.

[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Demoth', ' ')I'm hoping if this tech is legit, the feds will make EEStor share the patent rights with all comers for a minimal cost, thus making it widely and quickly adopted.

[BigTex]

...tick tock...tick tock...

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to

happen