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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 17:43:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhymers', '
')Heck, maybe I'll even out the balance and kill somebody else's kids :twisted:



Really. :|

I certainly hope everyone here will take note of your comment and not help you out even slightly with information or advice.

The world would certainly be better off without more of you.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby dhymers » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 17:50:11

yeah, I was dead serious 8O
really ?
sick jokes aside, sorry.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 18:21:13

dhymers,

Told ya so.

This is a VERY touchy subject here. I find it very difficult to have a discussion.

FWIW, (let the flack begin!!!) I can see no, NO, argument to not have kids.

I absolutely agree that world over population is the number one problem, and I don't particularly like humans, especially en mass.

What is right for the masses is not what works for the individual. The calculus is different.

And that is likely the MOST DEPRESSING thing I can think of.

It is a conundrum.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 18:31:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')FWIW, (let the flack begin!!!) I can see no, NO, argument to not have kids.



I'm pretty sure you mean "I can see no argument not to have kids that makes sense to me personally." :wink:

Here's some reasons not to have kids, and some reasons to have them:

http://www.playagaingames.com/interesting/children/

Here's 100 reasons not to have kids:

http://childfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... s-and.html
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 18:44:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')FWIW, (let the flack begin!!!) I can see no, NO, argument to not have kids.



I'm pretty sure you mean "I can see no argument not to have kids that makes sense to me personally." :wink:

Here's some reasons not to have kids, and some reasons to have them:

http://www.playagaingames.com/interesting/children/

Here's 100 reasons not to have kids:

http://childfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... s-and.html


You are close, probably close enough.

As I have said before, deciding to not have kids is genetic suicide. As life forms we have a very strong desire to reproduce. Life does not exist without reproduction.

Evolution works because there is variation, which is why we mix genes in our sex games and don't simply clone ourselves. The variations, good and bad, then compete with one another for more reproduction. By not having kids you are interfering with this element of the natural order. You are deciding your genes are not good enough and should be eliminated.

Now PLEASE do not mistake my position. I am merely trying to relate or explain, what I see as simple facts.

This is a case where two sets of "facts" work against one another to create a dismal circumstance.

What I am saying is not that anyone should or should not have kids. I am NEUTRAL. Personal choice. I can see arguments on both sides.

But I don't see any circumstance where humans will willingly limit population. Population reduction will come hard and cruel. My kids may survive, if I have kids.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:00:08

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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Nefarious » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:02:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's 100 reasons not to have kids: link
That's the most selfish,self centered,modern consumerist,ideology I have ever seen. and most of it is Expletive deleted.!
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:05:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'T')hat's the most selfish,self centered,modern consumerist,ideology I have ever seen. and most of it is Expletive deleted.!
Yep, a lot of people see not having kids as very selfish!
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Nefarious » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:14:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'T')hat's the most selfish,self centered,modern consumerist,ideology I have ever seen. and most of it is Expletive deleted.!
Yep, a lot of people see not having kids as very selfish!
yep$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '5')8. You will never suffer from burnout from trying to obtain the “have-it-all” lifestyle.
That's a great reason not to have kids or better yet$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '6')2. You will never have to fight with a child over homework or worse yet, have to sit and do homework with a child.
The agony of trying to teach a child to learn Wonderful examples

EDIT : We truly are a screwed up society deserving of our fate it that is considered an acceptable norm thinking.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:24:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', '
')EDIT : We truly are a screwed up society deserving of our fate it that is considered an acceptable norm thinking.



It isn't the norm though, so don't worry. Most people want to have kids. :)
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Nefarious » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:42:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t isn't the norm though, so don't worry. Most people want to have kids. :)
Your sure about that? I thought the modern woman concentrated on their carriers first and a family second. Excluding the hard core religious of course.

I'm of the opinion of if you want kids fine. You don't want kids fine. If you can raise and support your children without help from my tax dollars or the government I see no problem with you having children. If the world goes to hell in a hand basket overnight and you have the ability to feed and care for your kids off your land, have as many kids as your land can support.
If you can't feed or shelter yourself you should not have children. There are meaningful reasons not to have kids but that garbage that was posted isn't it.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:44:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'T')here are meaningful reasons not to have kids but that garbage that was posted isn't it.
What are the "meaningful reasons" to not have kids, in your opinion, other than the one you mentioned (not being able to provide for the child)?
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 19:47:57

"About 18 percent of women ages 40 to 44 in 2002 had never had a child, compared with 10 percent in 1976. Women in the same age group, on average, had 1.9 children in 2002, considerably fewer than the 1976 average of 3.1 children, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released today.

According to the report, Fertility of American Women: June 2002 [PDF], 44 percent of all women of childbearing age (15-to-44 years old) were childless. Seventy-one percent of these childless women participated in the labor force.

The report also shows that Hispanic women (who may be of any race) accounted for about 20 percent of all births in the year ending in June 2002. Non-Hispanic white women had 60 percent of all births; black women had 15 percent; and Asians and Pacific islanders 5 percent.

Other highlights of the report:

• During the four-year period 1994-98, the overall labor force participation rate of mothers with infant children (under age one) increased from 53 percent to 59 percent. But from 1998-2002, the rate dropped from 59 percent to 55 percent, not different from the 1994 level. It is the only recorded decline in labor force participation of mothers with infant children since the Census Bureau began calculating this measure in 1976.

• In 2002, mothers with children age 1 and older were in the labor force at a higher rate (72 percent) than mothers with infants (55 percent). Among mothers with infants, sixty-one percent of those 30 and older were in the labor force compared with 39 percent of those ages 15 to 19.

• Thirty-three percent of all births in 2002 were to unmarried women, a proportion that was about the same in 1998. Eight percent (307,000) of all births were to women in cohabiting unions. Black women were more likely than Hispanic or non-Hispanic white women to have births out of wedlock.

• In 2002, 89 percent of births to teenagers were out of wedlock, while only 12 percent of women 30-to-44 years old giving birth were unmarried.

Data are from the June 2002 fertility supplement to the Current Population Survey and earlier fertility supplements. The data are subject to sampling and nonsampling error."

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www ... 01491.html
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 20:02:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'E')very extra kid added to the planet is a drain on the planets capacity to feed people who are alive right now. To argue otherwise gives extra credit to the unborn. Imaginary and new kids are cute but they steal from the living.



Apparently that's not an argument not to have them. New kids are less selfish than existing kids or adults, or might be better for the planet and humans. The more people we produce the more likely we'll have a smart person who can solve our problems.

And stuff like that..... :|
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Nefarious » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 20:03:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'T')here are meaningful reasons not to have kids but that garbage that was posted isn't it.



What are the "meaningful reasons" to not have kids, in your opinion, other than the one you mentioned (not being able to provide for the child)?



Well for starters if you can't support yourself or children you shouldn't have them.
If you are an alcoholic or drug addict you shouldn't have children.
If you don't think you can devote time and energy into the proper raising of a child in a loving home you shouldn't have them.
Because you don't want your house cluttered with kindercrap (i think that's the word they used) is not a meaningful reason to me.

Let get it straight for all of you people that think we will solve the worlds overpopulation problem by not having children an adopting.YOU ARE LIVING IN A DELUDED WORLD,NOTHING WILL BE DONE, you not having children will not affect Bangladesh in the slightest. If you live on a 20 acre homestead out in the boondocks and have 5 children it's ok because your micro environment can support you and your children. If you have 1 kid or no kids and live in Mexico City or Tokyo it might turn bad for you.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 20:07:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', ' ')If you live on a 20 acre homestead out in the boondocks and have 5 children it's ok because your micro environment can support you and your children..



Really? I'm not so sure my 20 acre homestead could support 5 children. The carrying capacity is pretty low here.
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Nefarious » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 20:09:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', ' ')If you live on a 20 acre homestead out in the boondocks and have 5 children it's ok because your micro environment can support you and your children..



Really? I'm not so sure my 20 acre homestead could support 5 children. The carrying capacity is pretty low here.


WORK IT HARDER :shock:

Seriously though if you missed my meaning of what I was saying then never mind it doesn't matter
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 20:15:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'y')ou not having children will not affect Bangladesh in the slightest



Nope it sure won't, but Bangladesh isn't much of a problem except to Bangladeshis. Its effect on the rest of the planet is relatively minor, certainly compared to that of the US.

http://www.footprintnetwork.org/en/inde ... r_nations/


Nothing we do as individuals will "solve the world's problems." Does that mean nothing we do as individuals is meaningful?
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Re: Peak Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 20:16:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', '
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Seriously though if you missed my meaning of what I was saying then never mind it doesn't matter



Okay. :)
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