[Sixstrings]

Well, I saw Moore's new film today.

It didn't achieve the dark humor of "Sicko." Also, I wasn't as emotionally moved as I was by that previous film.. or perhaps I've just become jaded since that time. I have to say, compared to his body of work this is his weakest film. But I think it will do well, as audiences are hungry for even a bit of the truth.

As a close follower of econodoom, I didn't really learn anything new. Moore paints a pretty good picture about what's been going on with the economy; his only major exception is the effect of globalism, which isn't mentioned at all (I guess this is a touchy subject for liberals these days, they don't want to be seen as anti-immigration or isolationist).

What I found most interesting was his exploration of what democracy really means, and why it is that we pride ourselves on democracy in government and yet so blithely accept totalitarianism in the workplace. He profiled a couple companies that operate as co-ops, 100% owned and controlled by the workers. One was a sizable bread company. All workers in the plant have an equal vote on the operations.. average pay for workers in the factory is $65k, and the company is profitable.

So that gets you thinking.. well, why can't companies exist for the benefit of their customers AND their employees? Does our society really have to be based upon the gross enrichment of the few?

Overall, it was a good movie and worth seeing in the theater. At the end of the film, the audience clapped for a good while and everyone seemed to be talking about these issues as they walked out.

While not his best work, I think Moore succeeded at his purpose, which was to get people thinking and talking about these issues.

[heroineworshipper]

What capitalism is he talking about? Is there some country with capitalism somewhere?

Mortgage derivatives & unaffordable healthcare originated with the end of capitalism & the rise of social programs & the great society.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'W')hat capitalism is he talking about? Is there some country with capitalism somewhere?

Mortgage derivatives & unaffordable healthcare originated with the end of capitalism & the rise of social programs & the great society.

[americandream]

I'm curious as to what your captalism looks like. Could you detail what it would look like.

Thanks


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'W')hat capitalism is he talking about? Is there some country with capitalism somewhere?

Mortgage derivatives & unaffordable healthcare originated with the end of capitalism & the rise of social programs & the great society.

[frankthetank]

I'll probably see it when it comes on to disc... I've seen most of his other films and have been overall impressed.

Funny... Here in my town of La Crosse one of the local power players (he runs a huge health related company that gets a huge portion of its money from the government) was at that big rally against government spending or whatever it was and now he wants the city to pay for a parking ramp (millions of dollars) so his employees have a place to park (when a good chunk of the employees don't even live in the city). Not sure why he can't pay for it himself (its a large company with huge contracts).

[americandream]

Basically he wants tax revenue spent on him and not projects such as health and education for the masses. Brainwashing the masses into fighting his wars is simply an astute battle field strategy. He and his ilk own the media. Done deal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I')'ll probably see it when it comes on to disc... I've seen most of his other films and have been overall impressed.

Funny... Here in my town of La Crosse one of the local power players (he runs a huge health related company that gets a huge portion of its money from the government) was at that big rally against government spending or whatever it was and now he wants the city to pay for a parking ramp (millions of dollars) so his employees have a place to park (when a good chunk of the employees don't even live in the city). Not sure why he can't pay for it himself (its a large company with huge contracts).

[Kristen]

I hope it does make people think a little bit, but does he mention the U.S. is technically a mixed economy?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I') hope it does make people think a little bit, but does he mention the U.S. is technically a mixed economy?

[Revi]

I saw it yesterday, and I agree that it wasn't as good as Sicko, but it brought up some great points. I loved when he was trying to get people to tell us what a CDO or a derivative is.

The big rip-off that they sold us just before George took off was one of the best parts. He talked about how the congress was pushed into voting for it through fear.

It's worth seeing.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Basically, he starts off with the assertion that the middle class was better off in the 60's. He remembers his father, a GM worker, lived a good life from factory work -- he paid off his house before Moore was born, he had 4 weeks paid vacation per year, the whole family had full health insurance with no out of pocket costs, and Moore's mother didn't have to work.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;Never before in all our history have these forces [Organized Money] been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me and I welcome their hatred. I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said, wait a minute, I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.”

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') saw it yesterday, and I agree that it wasn't as good as Sicko, but it brought up some great points. I loved when he was trying to get people to tell us what a CDO or a derivative is.

The big rip-off that they sold us just before George took off was one of the best parts. He talked about how the congress was pushed into voting for it through fear.

It's worth seeing.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')I think somewhere in the movie it's mentioned that Americans claim to detest socialism, yet love their Medicare, etc.

[americandream]

Errrr. I can't believe that I read all this bullcrap in the one paragraph. Yikes! We're in trouble with folks like this in our midst.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')I think somewhere in the movie it's mentioned that Americans claim to detest socialism, yet love their Medicare, etc.

[ian807]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'D')id the audience clap?

The one I was in did, which surprised me given that I live in a heavily Republican area (my county voted Bush both times, and McCain last election).

[Rod_Cloutier]

I saw this movie tonight to a packed theater, it was difficult to get a seat. As a Canadian watching the film, about the United States, it is clear to me that the US is now firmly on a dark path downwards towards collapse.

The biggest shock was the story about how corporations were placing life insurance policies on their 'peasant' workers! That their workers were worth far, far more to them dead (for insurance return) than any measure of personal productivity could ever generate. This practice had my wife and I shaking our heads in disbelief, this is evil beyond comprehension.

Also was very concerned that Obama received a large political contribution from Goldman Sachs, this makes his agenda somewhat shadier. Obama, if he really is the President for the people, by the people, he should have outright refused this campaign contribution as a conflict of interest.

I've been out of work here in Canada for 9 months, still the story here is no where as bad as in the US. They are planning to build a multi-million dollar new football stadium here, a 400 million upgrade to the city zoo, and are building multiple other minor structures here, so work is still commonly available. (Even if the sector of transportation that I've worked in is still in severe recession).

I Can't believe the number of forclosures, the vacant houses or the homelessness present in the modern day US of A, I don't know if Moore has cherry picked the landscapes he presented, but this all looked very, very bleak. The prospect of plutonomy of governance also rings to the tune of a revolution brewing, very scary stuff in this film.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'I') Can't believe the number of forclosures, the vacant houses or the homelessness present in the modern day US of A, I don't know if Moore has cherry picked the landscapes he presented, but this all looked very, very bleak.

[AlexdeLarge]

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/10/some-thoughts-on-seeing-capitalism-love.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')musingly, Barack Obama is presented — outright — as a socialist. We see a roomful of people exulting over the election night announcement that Obama has won and, in context, we're made to think that it's the downtrodden people celebrating that socialism has arrived. I don't think Obama really wants Michael Moore's help.

[mcgowanjm]

The great thing about PO, AGW, and Collapse is that
Organized Religion will be quickly denigrated.

And excuse me, but name one Media owner who is not
Jewish?

Hollywood? Wall St? Obama's Chief of Staff son of Irgun?
AIPAC? Is their a more powerful DC Lobby?

At some point, Israel has to be talked about.

[AlexdeLarge]

Zombies 1, Socialists 0
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024642.php

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ichael Moore's latest film, Capitalism, opened weakly with only $1.5 million in box office receipts. For purposes of comparison, Zombieland raked in nearly $10 million. Still, even unsuccessful propaganda can do damage. It's a safe bet that hardly any of those who went to see Zombieland actually believe in zombies, while a considerable number of those who saw Moore's film may actually believe in socialism.