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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 27 Sep 2009, 19:10:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', 'I') think we are in unchartered territory here.

I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but I see this constantly and it's really getting on my nerves. The word is "uncharted", as in "unmapped territory". A chart is "a map designed to assist navigation by air or sea". A charter is "a document incorporating an institution and specifying its rights"...
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby highlander1 » Sun 27 Sep 2009, 20:24:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', 'I') think we are in unchartered territory here.
I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but I see this constantly and it's really getting on my nerves. The word is "uncharted", as in "unmapped territory". A chart is "a map designed to assist navigation by air or sea". A charter is "a document incorporating an institution and specifying its rights"...

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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby highlander1 » Sun 27 Sep 2009, 20:45:20

Hey TWilliam- from your September 8th post.... "no money lots of free time and a large sense of entitilement"

I'm not normally a grammar nazi about this stuff- but the word is entitlement. Gee- we both need some learnin........:wink: Bad grammar happens sometimes, even to the most educated and pompous of us.
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby TWilliam » Sun 27 Sep 2009, 23:04:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', 'H')ey TWilliam- from your September 8th post.... "no money lots of free time and a large sense of entitilement"
I'm not normally a grammar nazi about this stuff- but the word is entitlement. Gee- we both need some learnin........:wink: Bad grammar happens sometimes, even to the most educated and pompous of us.

Excuse me, but that was a typo (interesting that the spell-check apparently missed it), not a use of the wrong word... :P

And anyway, I wasn't picking on you specifically. You were just the latest example of that misuse. As I said, I see it constantly, and from a number of people. It's just as annoying as people who use the abbreviation for the word 'department' (dept) when referring to the state of owing money, or 'their' when speaking of something 'they're' doing...
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Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby DryObserver » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 13:48:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', 'I') think we are in unchartered territory here.

I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but I see this constantly and it's really getting on my nerves. The word is "uncharted", as in "unmapped territory". A chart is "a map designed to assist navigation by air or sea". A charter is "a document incorporating an institution and specifying its rights"...


Oddly appropriate phrasing for someone backing out of the corporate world then, eh? :-D :wink:
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 15:09:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DryObserver', 'O')ddly appropriate phrasing for someone backing out of the corporate world then, eh? :-D :wink:

That thought had occurred to me actually. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the intent in this case, however... :wink:
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby highlander1 » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 15:27:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DryObserver', 'O')ddly appropriate phrasing for someone backing out of the corporate world then, eh? :-D :wink:
That thought had occurred to me actually. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the intent in this case, however... :wink:

Uuuuh yeah....thats what I meant! At least that's what I would have told Mrs. Boyd- my 7th grade english teacher. I may not be a grammar whiz, but then again this is not http://www.thequeensenglish.com is it?? If so, I need to find a site with lower brow folks on it like me.... :-D
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 17:19:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', 'b')ut then again this is not http://www.thequeensenglish.com is it?

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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby patience » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 17:41:00

Try as I might, I find it hard to live up to that standard, what with being somewhat dyslexic, and getting old, I don't write as well as I once did. Looks like I am going to have to be VERY careful here. I don't remember such a flap about something I thought was pretty insignificant. Makes me lose interest in a hurry.

Yup, I botched this post, too, and had to edit it. Guess I'll have to severely curtail what I say, in order to get it as perfect as possible.
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby Pops » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 19:54:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', ' ')Guess I'll have to severely curtail what I say, in order to get it as perfect as possible.

That's right, better be careful you ol' fart we're watching you. :badgrin:

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Anyway, back to somewhat on topic. It really is a hard thing deciding to "cash out" when the action burns bridges. To me paying off a mortgage with an IRA when you plan to keep the place seems like a no lose decision. It would be nice to have a little stuck back though.
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby highlander1 » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 20:02:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', 'b')ut then again this is not http://www.thequeensenglish.com is it?

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You guys are kidding right? This is over the top. I thought- OK, TWilliam has a real pet peeve with my "unchartered" botch. Then, as I was reading a nice post on Yurt living, and I saw this from TWilliam...

"Our fabric is 100% cotton marine grade canvas."

Grrrr...


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The word canvas is derived from the 13th century Anglo-French canevaz and the Old-French canevas. Both may be derivatives of the Vulgar Latin cannapaceus for "made of hemp".


The industry term for such cloth is cotton duck.


He corrected that and broke out 13th century origins???? For gods sake- are we trying to help one another discuss post peak oil strategies here or take an english class??? Either you guys are some hardcore english/literature professors or in a single, inaugural post, I have hit the jackpot for attracting the most pompous arseholes on this site.
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby Nefarious » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 20:26:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander1', '
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He corrected that and broke out 13th century origins???? For gods sake- are we trying to help one another discuss post peak oil strategies here or take an english class??? Either you guys are some hardcore english/literature professors or in a single, inaugural post, I have hit the jackpot for attracting the most pompous arseholes on this site.


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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby Nefarious » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 20:33:52

At least you know you keep company with some educated people.
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Re: Cashing out

Unread postby hardtootell-2 » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 22:59:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'T')ry as I might, I find it hard to live up to that standard, what with being somewhat dyslexic, and getting old, I don't write as well as I once did. Looks like I am going to have to be VERY careful here. I don't remember such a flap about something I thought was pretty insignificant. Makes me lose interest in a hurry.

Yup, I botched this post, too, and had to edit it. Guess I'll have to severely curtail what I say, in order to get it as perfect as possible.


Nonsense! Please just write. No one is perfect. We need to communicate regardless.
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Re: Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 23:12:09

The point, highlander1, is that it's difficult (for me at least) to take seriously the opinions of people who make such simple and glaring errors, particularly when they do so repeatedly.

As far as my post about the origins of the word 'canvas', that is a different issue. Calling heavy-duty cotton duck, 'canvas', is an example of the way Orwellian newspeak has infiltrated the culture, in this instance as one of innumerable methods of erasing cultural awareness of the long and vital history of one of mankind's most useful and venerable crops, one who's cultivation may even pre-date agriculture for food. Being an advocate for industrial hemp use, such deception is yes, a particularly large peeve of mine...
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Re: Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 28 Sep 2009, 23:29:37

Yikes!!!! It looks like 'someone' woke up on the wrong side of the chalkboard this morning. :shock:

Let's all please hope and chant this doesn't occur too frequently.
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Re: Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 00:08:56

Orwellian Newspeak aside what about Fruedian slips?
The 'accidental' use of the 'wrong' word.
Going back to the original 'slip' it is quite interesting and could add meaning and depth to Highlanders article.
TW has correctly defined both options with regard to meaning here; methinks the ambigiuty is built into the similarity of the words deliberately.
Usually when mapping is done, a claim of ownership is simultaneously being extracted; hence "Charted" is the source or root word for the more legalistic and therefore modern term "Charter".
In Highlanders original post either meaning could be sufficiently applied; in the sense that the future is neither mapped or owned.
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Re: Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 01:34:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'O')rwellian Newspeak aside what about Fruedian slips?
The 'accidental' use of the 'wrong' word.
Going back to the original 'slip' it is quite interesting and could add meaning and depth to Highlanders article.
TW has correctly defined both options with regard to meaning here; methinks the ambigiuty is built into the similarity of the words deliberately.
Usually when mapping is done, a claim of ownership is simultaneously being extracted; hence "Charted" is the source or root word for the more legalistic and therefore modern term "Charter".
In Highlanders original post either meaning could be sufficiently applied; in the sence that the future is neither mapped or owned.
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Actually the term 'charter', specifically in reference to a legal document granting authority or rights, entered the language from the Latin word for 'paper' via Old French prior to 1000 C.E. 'Chart' as used in reference to specialized nautical maps entered via Middle French (also from the Latin root) and dates from around 1570 C.E.

If anything, the later application of the term 'chart' to a nautical map likely derives from its being considered an authoritative navigational aid...

Anyway again as I already implied, I'm aware of the ambiguity you describe SeaGypsy, and of the possible interpretation it presents. However I doubt that anyone who says "we're entering unchartered territory" is doing so with the deliberate intent of conveying the idea, "we're heading into an un-owned future". Most likely what they mean is, "we're heading into an un-known future", which is the implication of the 'correct' phrasing.

It is an interesting Freudian slip tho'; it probably gets missed a lot in vocal conversation. I suspect it comes out of the same parts of the country where people do their warsh on Sunday and keep their pins that they use for writing in their desk draws, and where a crick is something you swim in, rather than a pain in the neck... :lol:
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Re: Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 05:16:53

Ok, I don't have a dog in this grammar fight, but..

This is something I'm noticing lately. I see it a lot in the articles I read, even from writers I respect (like Kunslter) and mainstream journalists who really should know better. A generalized sloppiness is creeping into the written English language. I honestly fear for the future of our language, when holders of masters degrees don't know the difference between the words "except" and "accept."

And nobody seems to know the difference between "effect" and "affect."

And my biggest pet peeve of all, the one I keep seeing over and over.. is "insure." People keep doing this, it's viral or something.. somehow, the word "ensure" has dropped from our language to be replaced by "insure" -- which means something else entirely.

And then we have the age-old "I could care less" instead of "I couldn't care less."

Now, I'm all for having your own technically-not-correct-style. I do that myself, you'll notice I start sentences with "and" quite a bit, and I like using "..." and "--" instead of a semicolon. But this other stuff bothers me.. I can't see any element of style in mixing up words (it just indicates your vocabulary is limited, and you're not a widely-read person).

Ok, /grammar rant off.
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Re: Cashing out grammar discussion

Unread postby highlander1 » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 11:26:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'T')he point, highlander1, is that it's difficult (for me at least) to take seriously the opinions of people who make such simple and glaring errors, particularly when they do so repeatedly.
As far as my post about the origins of the word 'canvas', that is a different issue. Calling heavy-duty cotton duck, 'canvas', is an example of the way Orwellian newspeak has infiltrated the culture, in this instance as one of innumerable methods of erasing cultural awareness of the long and vital history of one of mankind's most useful and venerable crops, one who's cultivation may even pre-date agriculture for food. Being an advocate for industrial hemp use, such deception is yes, a particularly large peeve of mine...


Well this will be my last post here so I wont hold back. TWilliam- you are a moderator here??? So you probably parsed this thread out of the original one in order to continue your pompous, useless dribble.

I'm pretty sure you won't make it post peak oil if things get tough. You stike me as an totally insecure Expletive deleted who pumps them self up with some sort of pseudo academic bullying. We don't have use for people like you in the mountain community where we are- you're a pontifcator and not a doer.

And I'm pretty sure if post peak oil looters did'nt take you out- your own neighbors may. I know if you were standing in front of me and pulled this Obscenity deleted, I'd thump you in the melon- but that's just the mountain redneck in me....and I like that about my self. In plain english- you seem to be a useless piece of Obscenity deleted..
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