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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 14:30:04

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Simple rules of merchandising:

If you wouldn't buy it, don't try to sell it.


Wise words.



that WOULD eliminate most sales jobs...


Much of modern society needs to be eliminated, and of course it will be in due time.

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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 15:59:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'u')hhh, ever live in the Philippines? Where a doctor or lawyer works for five dollars a day? Americans are (temporarily) WAY overpaid. But thats about to change. A co-worker married a Filipina about twenty years ago, but has never been there. He just got back. His whole world was destroyed. He kept trying to tell me what its like (been there done that). For the first time in ten years I saw him scared.


People here really have no concept of how far down they have to fall. Most are just floating in a fantasy land of luxury to which they've become so accustomed that anything outside of that is simply unimaginable.

Whats more interesting is the subtheme that gets passed along here, over and over... That the wealthy are somehow less prepared for what's to come. Everything in my experience leads me to the conclusion that the modern cohort of the wealthy are more than adequately populated by people that can manage the combination of ruthlessness and vision that will enable them to maintain a comparable level of luxury in their lives; though the notable substitution of servants for technical product will be a modest change.

Whats interesting about politicians in this mix, is that they, in general, like to speak for the down trodden proletariate while simultaneously being desperate to continue their associations and lifestyles of affluence.

Modern lifestyle of wealth - pristine home, automation, generators, high tech cars and boats. Post modern lifestyle of wealth - large but somewhat dinged up home, no ac other than perhaps in the business office, older cars and fishing boat, and 5 servants who do everything the automation used to do, and who also squeak nicely when you kick'em in the butt. Those five servants who used to be managers, secretaries, or waitresses, will then sleep contentedly on a 20 yr old mattress layed flat on uncovered cement floor with open spaces in walls where windows and doors would otherwise be. They will be cheerful that they have a job and aren't starving in the rain.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 16:09:46

What do you do when you see someone speeding, step on it dummy. I bet 90% do. I know I do. :)
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 16:44:43

JJ, what a great reinforcement of how self-centered and clueless our fellow Americans can be. Very interesting that Germans and Canadians might be a little more civilized. I cringed when I read about you throwing out the organic apples. Those are all we buy because I want to minimize the toxic load to my toddlers. I can't believe that people walk around eating the produce! No brains at all...

I think when push comes to shove, a lot of people will get desperate quick because they refuse to eat anything blemished & refuse to eat things they "don't like." I can't wait until the amount of food waste here finally starts coming down and the picky whiners are forced to shut up (either by choice or brute force when they try to take from the rest of us).

Anyway, I have noticed a lot of empty packages lately in stores where someone slipped the product out of the package and stole it, leaving the bulky packaging behind.

As far as buying patterns, it's an all out war for the cheap crap. The other day at my local store, the Little Debbie and Ramen noodle sections were decimated by late Sunday. Snack sized Oreo cups were on sale and there were none left. I actually saw a couple with a toddler and the only thing they had in their cart was about 10 packages of pudding cups and a 2L of orange soda.

My husband and I are trying to buy whole foods and avoid high fructose corn syrup and sugar. 90+% of the items in any given grocery store are total junk these days.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby Maddog78 » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 16:56:27

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uhhh, ever live in the Philippines? Where a doctor or lawyer works for five dollars a day? Americans are (temporarily) WAY overpaid. But thats about to change. A co-worker married a Filipina about twenty years ago, but has never been there. He just got back. His whole world was destroyed. He kept trying to tell me what its like (been there done that). For the first time in ten years I saw him scared.



I can think of a few people I'd like to send over there for a look see.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby JJ » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 17:58:49

agentR wrote:

Whats more interesting is the subtheme that gets passed along here, over and over... That the wealthy are somehow less prepared for what's to come. Everything in my experience leads me to the conclusion that the modern cohort of the wealthy are more than adequately populated by people that can manage the combination of ruthlessness and vision that will enable them to maintain a comparable level of luxury in their lives; though the notable substitution of servants for technical product will be a modest change.

tend to agree. My sister is a multi-millionaire retires (at 40) in Pagosa Springs. When she used to come visit us (no longer) she would brag on the fact that they are completely off the grid. (catchment systems, solar panels, etc.) money can buy anything. When i asked her "what about your neighbors?" her husband quickly said "we don't care about our neighbors". And I believe him.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby ALBY » Mon 14 Sep 2009, 20:40:45

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Petty shoplifting bothers you but the trillion dollar thefts by the billionaire banksters and military contractors you're ok with. Wow, have you got your priorities screwed up. Why don't you go wag your finger at the perpetrators of this financial debacle instead of their victims? Good luck finding them in their multimillion dollar Park Ave. penthouses and Bahamas villas paid for with your tax dollars and their deregulation assisted Ponzi schemes.



And here we have the crux of the dilemma. People brought up in the banker's criminal system have no idea what's really happening, so they target their fellow drones instead of the powers that caused all the hardship.

It's really frustrating to try to explain it to people who refuse to believe anything other than "growth is good".



so, the banksters steal from us and that makes it OK to steal from the grocery store ? is there not one other person in the forum that sees the flaw in this 'logic'.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby nobodypanic » Sat 19 Sep 2009, 20:36:11

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Petty shoplifting bothers you but the trillion dollar thefts by the billionaire banksters and military contractors you're ok with. Wow, have you got your priorities screwed up. Why don't you go wag your finger at the perpetrators of this financial debacle instead of their victims? Good luck finding them in their multimillion dollar Park Ave. penthouses and Bahamas villas paid for with your tax dollars and their deregulation assisted Ponzi schemes.



And here we have the crux of the dilemma. People brought up in the banker's criminal system have no idea what's really happening, so they target their fellow drones instead of the powers that caused all the hardship.

It's really frustrating to try to explain it to people who refuse to believe anything other than "growth is good".



so, the banksters steal from us and that makes it OK to steal from the grocery store ? is there not one other person in the forum that sees the flaw in this 'logic'.

:roll:

banker's theft = greed.

poor guy's grocery store theft = i am hungry.


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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 20 Sep 2009, 03:02:57

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Petty shoplifting bothers you but the trillion dollar thefts by the billionaire banksters and military contractors you're ok with. Wow, have you got your priorities screwed up. Why don't you go wag your finger at the perpetrators of this financial debacle instead of their victims? Good luck finding them in their multimillion dollar Park Ave. penthouses and Bahamas villas paid for with your tax dollars and their deregulation assisted Ponzi schemes.



And here we have the crux of the dilemma. People brought up in the banker's criminal system have no idea what's really happening, so they target their fellow drones instead of the powers that caused all the hardship.

It's really frustrating to try to explain it to people who refuse to believe anything other than "growth is good".



so, the banksters steal from us and that makes it OK to steal from the grocery store ? is there not one other person in the forum that sees the flaw in this 'logic'.



Why not to take a different approach: if there was no grocery store, there would be some trees, bushes growing , rabbits hopping and deers strolling. Whomever built that grocery store deprived a local resident of an opportunity to collect berries, nuts, wild fruits, wood and some small game from the site , bringing in only garbage , crowds and pollution. So its only natural to compensate oneself for the loss.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby ALBY » Mon 21 Sep 2009, 17:28:35

ask the people who inhabited the inner city 'donut holes' burnt out after the MLK shooting... 'how was life without a grocery store' ? detroit, newark, east st louis...

as far as I know, safeway did not get any TARP money.

so when they shut down YOUR grocery store because it is unprofitable, you will wish you treated them better...

stealing from your local grocery store, or allowing it to happen, is slightly more enlightened than rioting in and burning down your own neighborhood.
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Re: When you see someone shoplifting...

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 21 Sep 2009, 18:25:39

I do not know what bloated hordes of parasites of inner cities where every second has an IQ below a mild retardation level got to do with my idyllic example. Clearly those ghettos stood in a dead land in the first place
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