[liammcglynn]

The most recent third party report by Jacob Securities both supports and refutes your position. In 40 pages of detailed information on EEStor's approach to Barium Titanate capacitors and the four key breakthroughs that distinguish EEStor from other technology processes, the analysts specifically noted that they never saw a commercial prototype.

The absence of a prototype is certainly a concern. Certainly, in order to obtain UL certification, EEStor has to submit at least a small prototype. One would think that this prototype would be available for the JS tour. So why no appearance?

If EEStor is a scam, they are painting themselves in a pretty tight corner. UL will expect a prototype. Zenn expects a commercial component this Fall. A third party has validated the EESU permittivity score of 22,500 (the key factor in capacitor energy density and an extraordinarily high number). Likewise, a third party has validated the purity of EEStor's barium titanate powder.

Still, no prototype. Considering the technological challenges, the more plausible explanation for EEStor's reticence may be the kind of secrecy that many creative types crave during development. Doubtless, there have been many setbacks and, from my own experience as a technology architect, I understand a reluctance to share my failures until the product is ready for prime time.

I recommend looking at the JS report at http://www.theeestory.com/files/ZNN_ini ... acobCo.pdf

Your point is a good one, though.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('liammcglynn', 'H')owever, when a company goes to UL with a product for certification and satisfies a defense contractor with testing, should that not give us pause to consider the possibility that they are genuine? We cannot rule out a grand fraud but rational analysis cannot reach certainty on such criminality.

[liammcglynn]

Those of us who have been here a while have gotten used to having our hearts broken. Now we are hard, bitter, cynical and probably beyond repair.

Mos, BAU is good. That would be me if I even cared anymore.[/quote]

If you have been here a while, you have valuable information, useful information. As a technology architect, I gather and form data into compelling executive presentations. In a sense, that is just another type of forum with its own set of frustrations and obstacles. Even when I succeed in saving a company many millions of dollars, I might have to watch helplessly as the corporation collapses under the weight of toxic investments.

I know that we cannot stop or even slow the coming oil crisis and the unfathomable impact on the global food supply but I, like you, need an outlet for my frustration. Perhaps it doesn't matter if we say anything meaningful. After all, who is really listening? Still, I have my own plan, feeble as it is, to meet the coming crisis. Surely, in such a forum, I am not unique. We all have plans and all our individual plans are likewise feeble because they are individual. This may not be a forum for fostering communal efforts but our collective knowledge may open doors.

Your self-effacement indicates that you are not entirely resigned to apathy. I suspect that you are just a fighter in an empty ring.

[mos6507]

pstarr, your tone has changed considerably from when I left. I think you should leave a little more variability in your vision of the future. If there is anything the last year has taught me, is not to be too certain of how things are going to play out.

[liammcglynn]

pstarr, I am a technology architect specializing in the automation of large data centers. I am also a closet economist so your point about false assumptions in predictive models is timely. The government's GAAP budget report reveals a national debt (unfunded obligations) of more than $60 trillion. You are right, we cannot repay. The economic situation relates to EEStor and EVs in general because hyperinflation seems a near certainty in the not too distant future and a currency collapse would precipitate a supply disruption. This disruption would be a temporary but devastating fuel crisis in the US. Thus, my desire for an EV with decent range and highway capabilities.

Hyperinflation is an interesting topic though probably not appropriate for this forum. It may actually hasten the longer term oil crisis.

[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('liammcglynn', ' ')You are right, we cannot repay. The economic situation relates to EEStor and EVs in general because hyperinflation seems a near certainty in the not too distant future and a currency collapse would precipitate a supply disruption. This disruption would be a temporary but devastating fuel crisis in the US. Thus, my desire for an EV with decent range and highway capabilities.

[liammcglynn]

pstarr, I work for a large international firm based in New Delhi whose net income grew 110% last quarter (compared to 2008). I am less concerned about recession stopping travel than I am about a disruption in oil deliveries to domestic refineries. I can picture such a disruption if inflation spirals out of control and I can picture hyperinflation if the government continues its bailout policies in 2010. Option ARMs and Alt-A mortgages will reach a peak in resets in Mid 2010 that will rival the subprime crisis except that we are less prepared now (unemployment, tight credit, weak banks, credit card defaults, and diminished demand for Treasuries).

I guess that as long as planes are flying, I will travel. If the government had to ration fuel, where do commercial airlines stand in the queue?

[BigTex]

liammmcglynn, how long have you been aware of peak oil?

Since becoming aware of it, what books have you read concerning the topic of peak oil and the larger cluster of topics peak oil touches on, including overshoot and die-off, technology as a secular religion, fallacies of modern economic thought, etc.?

Just curious where you are on the learning curve.

It takes a while for it all to sink in.

[liammcglynn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'l')iammmcglynn, how long have you been aware of peak oil?

Since becoming aware of it, what books have you read concerning the topic of peak oil and the larger cluster of topics peak oil touches on, including overshoot and die-off, technology as a secular religion, fallacies of modern economic thought, etc.?

Just curious where you are on the learning curve.

It takes a while for it all to sink in.

[TheAntiDoomer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'l')iammmcglynn, how long have you been aware of peak oil?

Since becoming aware of it, what books have you read concerning the topic of peak oil and the larger cluster of topics peak oil touches on, including overshoot and die-off, technology as a secular religion, fallacies of modern economic thought, etc.?

Just curious where you are on the learning curve.

It takes a while for it all to sink in.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')heAntiDoomer, I will do that for you. Here is what the gentlemen said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('liammcglynn', 'I') know that we cannot stop or even slow the coming oil crisis and the unfathomable impact on the global food supply but . . .

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'B')igTex, your post seems to imply that if one reads and is aware of all the issues you just mentioned and does not come to the conclusion that a dieoff/collapse is inevetible is wrong? I feel I am well educated on the subject and do not believe in dieoff or collapse. Would like you to clarify this position.
thanks.

[mos6507]

CityZenn is dead. Like I said, Zenn is now just a middle-man looking to extract profit from their deal with EESTOR. They were opportunists who have little value to add to the mix.

[liammcglynn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '[')url=http://gm-volt.com/2009/09/23/zenn-motors-ceo-announces-change-in-company-plans-says-eesu-development-remains-on-target/]CityZenn is dead.[/url] Like I said, Zenn is now just a middle-man looking to extract profit from their deal with EESTOR. They were opportunists who have little value to add to the mix.

[sparky]

.
It's weird how you guys are focused on transportation ,
the holy grail of energy storage would be a couple of Gigawatts for a week
it could make the grid base load open for funky alternative
wind power badly need it ,solar even more .

that's for BigTex

Somebody finally who talk megawatts ,
there was mention of this on PBS
a high power battery

http://www.physorg.com/news155569564.html


I think this is the patent


High energy density fused salt battery and cathode for use therein
United States Patent 3963516

Abstract:
A composite cathode comprising an integral matrix of about 20 to 80% by weight current collector material which is electronic or semiconducting in nature, preferably carbon, and about 80 to 20% by weight metal sulfide, preferably antimony sulfide. The high energy density battery comprises said composite cathode in spaced apart relation to a LiAl alloy anode, and a molten LiCl--KCl electrolyte in contact with the cathode and anode.

[JRP3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
It's weird how you guys are focused on transportation ,
the holy grail of energy storage would be a couple of Gigawatts for a week
it could make the grid base load open for funky alternative
wind power badly need it ,solar even more .