by shortonsense » Sun 20 Sep 2009, 12:38:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')hort, you parrot the same same lazy argument over and over, and guess what? You are wrong.
You mean, SIMMONS was wrong, I was simply referencing some of his prognostications. I certainly wasn't running around in 2003 proclaiming gas cliffs, or prayer as the only hope we had for oil production as of 2005.
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There have been several peaks: it just depends on the metric.. The latest is for all liquids (the 2008 peak includes
unconventionals i.e. biofuels, tar sands etc.) and 2005 measures only flowing crude and condensates.
Thank you providing the exact reason why none of the metrics matter, when one doesn't work out to a given result ( give me peak in 2005! I demand it! ) then we just switch to another to kick the can down the road. Knock yourself out in the semantics...drilling in water was once "unconventional" and gee, I wonder where most growth in oil production has come from over the past 20 years or so?
Just change the name, or whats included in the category, and then lurk for another decade claiming the same results to a new, and different, and exciting, peak oil. Knock yourself out, I'm quite happy with the results from the last 2.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')So your assertion, your mantra (repeated endlessly here as if by rote and programmed by a thirteen-year-old adolescent) is a logical absurdity.
And quite factually correct as well. Don't peakers just HATE it when that happens? Just imagine how much fun you could have had in 1982 proclaiming the end of the world from the peak in 1979 or so, too bad the internet wasn't around to let enough true believers to gather to a critical mass.
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Peak Oil is not wrong because it is a complex subject.
by Homesteader » Mon 21 Sep 2009, 01:14:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') don't even read shortonbrains posts anymore.
+1
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by IslandCrow » Mon 21 Sep 2009, 05:47:40
Total issues oil shortage warning
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he head of oil giant Total has told the BBC the world could face a shortage of oil because of underinvestment.
Chief executive Christophe de Margerie warned that too little has been spent trying to tap into new oil reserves because of the economic crisis.
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He also said he thought oil prices would rise to more than $100 a barrel, from their current level of around $70.
"The reserves of oil are there, but if you don't invest they don't come on the market," Mr de Margerie said.
"What we have to decide today is production for 2010-2015. So in between we might be faced with insufficient oil to meet demand."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8266200.stmNot quite a 'Peak Oil' report, but it spells trouble anyway.
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by rangerone314 » Mon 21 Sep 2009, 07:57:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') don't even read shortonbrains posts anymore.
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That's a tad harsh. I still read shortonbrains posts.
When I need a good laugh.
ba-da-dum!On another note, this really IS a peak oil article, but a flawed one, and an excellent example of cognitive dissonance. (If I was still in school and taking Psychology class, I'd probably cite this article as an example of cognitive dissonance)
The idea of demand going down is humorous. On the otherhand, he at least got HALF of the picture right. The idea of the Saudi's saying something to keep the prices down (once the economy has recovered some and people want more oil again) might work for a few months, then everyone sees the emperor has no clothes on.
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