[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('liammcglynn', '
')EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Romulus Augustus, Roman Emperor, 475AD - one year before fall of Rome ', '
')Man I need some of whatever you guys are smoking. Seriously mudhuts? LMAO

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', '
')or their is the alternative view that a step invention like EESTOR will take society to the next level in technological advancement.

[liammcglynn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('liammcglynn', '
')EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

[Revi]

Good one Pstarr.

Wasn't Zenn supposed to come out with an Eestore car by now?

What's the holdup?

http://www.zenncars.com/

[mos6507]

I've been following the EESTOR thing closely ever since that meeting recording was leaked. Some of the recent developments include contracting with a company to build the EESU enclosures with the voltage-step-down circuitry for Zenn. Supposedly Zenn should have the first EESUs for internal testing before the end of the year. So I'm really expecting them to take the lid off the subterfuge very soon, or be exposed as a very realistic pump and dump scam, one way or another. But I don't see things festering year upon year anymore.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')'ve been following the EESTOR thing closely ever since that meeting recording was leaked. Some of the recent developments include contracting with a company to build the EESU enclosures with the voltage-step-down circuitry for Zenn. Supposedly Zenn should have the first EESUs for internal testing before the end of the year. So I'm really expecting them to take the lid off the subterfuge very soon, or be exposed as a very realistic pump and dump scam, one way or another. But I don't see things festering year upon year anymore.

[liammcglynn]

The Zenn EEStor solution is a Barite-based ultracapacitor that stores the same energy as Lithium Ion but in one quarter the space. It has rapid charge and discharge capabilities. Barite is important because there are massive stores of it while Lithium is becoming scarce. The ultracapacitor will last for millions of cycles versus the average of only 5,000 for Lithium Ion. Also, it is not subject to deterioration in cold and heat.

EEStor has just submitted its proposed device to Underwriters Laboratories for certification. This is an enormous step toward commercialization.

The highway ZENN will be a five passenger vehicle with a curb weight of around 3,100 pounds. It will have a range of 250 miles and a top speed of 80 mph. The latest word is that we will see it in showrooms in 2010 after an announcement in Fall 2009. The target price for the vehicle is less than $30,000!

Do you think that this will impact the auto industry?

[mos6507]

Zenn is really nothing more than a shell IP company. The highway Zenn will (if it comes out) be nothing but a short-run proof of concept. The true rollout will happen if and when Zenn licenses its drive system to the big players. Zenn will then probably stop producing vehicles and be the dead-weight middle-men that they really are. As it is now, they have produced a tiny number of low speed vehicles.

This weird case of a marginal company being somehow at the right place at the right time to cut a sweetheart deal with EESTOR is what raises suspicions of a pump and dump. I mean, why did Zenn get there first to cut this deal instead of any other company?

But it is what it is.

[liammcglynn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Z')enn is really nothing more than a shell IP company. The highway Zenn will (if it comes out) be nothing but a short-run proof of concept. The true rollout will happen if and when Zenn licenses its drive system to the big players. Zenn will then probably stop producing vehicles and be the dead-weight middle-men that they really are. As it is now, they have produced a tiny number of low speed vehicles.

This weird case of a marginal company being somehow at the right place at the right time to cut a sweetheart deal with EESTOR is what raises suspicions of a pump and dump. I mean, why did Zenn get there first to cut this deal instead of any other company?

But it is what it is.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('liammcglynn', 'D')ick Weir understands his competitive advantage and will use it.

[liammcglynn]

I was hoping that Peak Oil would be a forum for sharing information and meaningful analysis. Refutation without explanation or substantive debate has no value and our communities need value. If you are familiar with Barite ultracapacitor research or EEStor's approach for constructing such a device, please share your insights.

Is this forum just a waste of time? Do you believe that, as a community, you cannot have an impact - that you cannot help others prepare for and survive the looming crisis? EEStor has certainly not inspired our confidence with their repeated delays. And we can question claims of a technological breakthrough in an area that has seen so much research.

However, when a company goes to UL with a product for certification and satisfies a defense contractor with testing, should that not give us pause to consider the possibility that they are genuine? We cannot rule out a grand fraud but rational analysis cannot reach certainty on such criminality.

I mean no offense. I was just hoping for more.

[mos6507]

The only thing EESTOR needs to do to wipe away all of the naysayers is show off a prototype. Even something as simple as a AA size cell that powers a toy would be sufficient. If they can make an assembly line today then surely they must have a working cell in the lab. But no, they won't even show this to anyone including Zenn. Even if they do deliver, there will be no end to the debate for why the hell they had to do this ass-backwards and raise all these doubts.