[eastbay]

... but apparently not as smart as this guy, who apparently pulled one of the biggest scams ever. I just stumbled across this interesting and well-footnoted article today and thought I'd toss it out to see what others here think about this.

Ah c'mon now, don't crush the messenger...lol, reply to the message please.

A quick search reveals many books and articles supporting the claim that Einstein may have wrongly took personal credit for the work of others. If true, it was not a very nice thing to do. I'm thinking of removing my small Einstein poster from my office wall... or putting one of Al Capone up next to it.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

EastBay

[killJOY]

From the Nexus homepage:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'F')rom the Nexus homepage:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.

[eastbay]

Oh, go get the messenger... yikes!!! I didn't bother to read or notice all that other stuff from the site.

Ok, let me try that again.

I did a google search, try this instead... the messenger may be more acceptable. Thanks in advance for your comments.

http://home.comcast.net/~xtxinc/AEIPBook.htm

EastBay

[RickTaylor]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A') quick search reveals many books and articles supporting the claim that Einstein may have wrongly took personal credit for the work of others. If true, it was not a very nice thing to do. I'm thinking of removing my small Einstein poster from my office wall... or putting one of Al Capone up next to it.

[eastbay]

Rick Taylor,

I certainly wish I had checked the site before I posted the first posting here...lol. Can we direct our attention to the ...

http://home.comcast.net/~xtxinc/AEIPBook.htm

... reference instead?? Gosh I wish we had an edit function here...

I'm really fascinated by the idea that Einstein may have stolen his ideas, as the book claims. Inquisitive minds... I suppose that's why many of us are here in the first place, because we question much of the stuff rammed down our throats every day.

Thanks,

EastBay

[entropyfails]

Anybody remember the Family Guy where they show Einstein sitting at the patent office and someone brings him a paper about relatively? Einstein shoves the guy's head in the window and steals his paper and runs off. *laugh*

[eastbay]

The fact that the relationship E=mc2 was not derived by Einstein is also discussed by H. E. Yves in “Derivation of the Mass-Energy Relationship” Journal of the Optical Society of America” Vol. 42. No: 8, August 1952. pp. 540-543.

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/faq/gamma-mass-13.html

If it's true that E=mc2 should be assigned to others, then why did Einstein assume credit for this? After reading a bit more (I'm not a scientist) about this it seems quite apparent that Einstein did indeed take credit for work that should have been credited to others in his 1905 paper.

That's plagiarism. The bottom line for me is that the picture comes down.

EastBay

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

When Columbus discovered America, they said he did it, Not the guy on watch, or in the crowsnest, Columbus. In archaeological digs the find is credited to the most senior person or Doctor on the dig, not the students. Same back in the turn of the century, doctors did not get credit for their finds. that went to the person they were under the tutelage of. that's the way it had always been.

People make discoveries but it maybe that it was Einsteins thinking outside the box that put all these random connections together to create "the discovery". there is nothing wrong with that either, if nothing else you have to give the guy credit for making it ok to have hair like that.

[RickTaylor]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')I'm really fascinated by the idea that Einstein may have stolen his ideas, as the book claims. Inquisitive minds... I suppose that's why many of us are here in the first place, because we question much of the stuff rammed down our throats every day.

Thanks,

EastBay

[smiley]

Not only Pointcare but also Hendrik Lorenz contributed to Einsteins theory of general relativity and special relativity. Einstein never denied that. In fact he acknowledges both. This is very well known in the scientific world. It is no mystery.

But Einstein did not just copy their work. He took elements of their theories and completed them with his own ideas. He was the one who put the final elements in place. That's no plagiarism, that is just the way science works.

It is just that the general public wants their heroes. They want to believe in this one man singlehandedly solving the biggest challenge presented to man. And they conveniently forget about the others who contributed.

You cannot blame Einstein for that.

[eastbay]

It is just that the general public wants their heroes. They want to believe in this one man singlehandedly solving the biggest challenge presented to man. And they conveniently forget about the others who contributed.

This indeed may be the bottom line. It's just a bit irritating to see him popularized and glorified for this (E=MC2) when in fact others arrived at the famous relationship well before he did. It may be that his ego prevented him from pointing his finger elsewhere with enough enthusiasm to quell the growing applause. That too would be a bit irritating.

Speaking of the 'search for hero's', as Smiley suggests, I remember as a kid everyone knew about John Glenn. But few American kids had heard of Yuri Gagarin. I don't believe I even heard his name until I was in college many years after his famous flight.

EastBay