[Arthur75]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('argyle', 'I')'ve always believed we need a new 'green' labelling system, and tax it accordingly..

It should take into account the entire "life-cycle" the product will go through and the impact it has on the environment. A sort of points system which by action of the producer, consumer, .. can go up and down.. Such system could be used for example across the EU.

The label would need to take into account how much energy, resources (water, land, ..) are used to produce a certain product.
More energy, resources, you get a lower rate of the label (when the producer uses renewable energy, treats his sewage,recycles the by-products) he gets a higher score for the label. If the product or it's packing is bio-degradable, reusable or re-cycleable then you get a higher score.. If the product needs to be shipped, transported long distances,.. you get a lower score.. In the end you get a "green-label" which determines the rate of the 'green' tax/duties that has to be paid on it.

[news_monster]

Terrible idea - it can't simply place everyone in the same bracket and ignore their climate, location etc. Looking at the growing population is a more obvious and more practical idea.

[Arthur75]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('news_monster', 'L')ooking at the growing population is a more obvious and more practical idea.

[Maddog78]

I agree, GASMON.
I could almost puke when I see environmental liberal whacko's in Canada crying that we are one of the largest consumers of carbon on the planet and we must tax this and tax that.
What do they expect? Like I said before Canada is cold, Canada is big, of course we're going to burn a large amount of fuel compared to other countries. We also have a small pop. density and far more forests than most other nations. That obviously counts for nothing I guess.
The solution is to destroy ourselves economically while other countries laugh at our suicidal actions?

[jeromie]

If you really want laughs about this look into India's CH4 wafted first into the atmosphere century after century by their cows. All 250 million plus of them. Of course, the CH4 eventually converts to CO2. Then the cows of India keep replacing their CH4. I keep running across pieces claiming the Indian methane is about the same as US CO2 inputs from transportation. Then look at India's other ruminants.
Now add everything else of an gaseous nature from the population.

[Arthur75]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '
')They will laugh their bollocks off at us westerners taxing ourselves into oblivion, ostensibly to save the planet, while they wreck it.

Party on

Gasmon

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', ' ')a tax does not change a country GDP

[Arthur75]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '
')
Whoah, I think a lot of people would disagree with this.

[careinke]

I like Hansen's Idea of a a redistributive carbon tax, and would support it as proposed. However, I would prefer to add a few tweaks.

First off, I would eliminate the payment to individuals under the age of 18. We all know the real problem is too many people, why encourage more kids? Children should be viewed as a liability, not an asset.

Second, I would not give back 100 % of the tax. Instead I would use the carbon tax to replace the income and payroll taxes for both individuals and corporations. I would give back enough of the carbon tax to individuals over the age of 18, to cover the tax up to say... three times the poverty rate. This would have the effect of untaxing the poor while still encouraging people to reduce their carbon foot print.

Third, you would need to apply tariffs to imports in order to have a level playing field for companies producing locally.

Finally, I would make the tax large enough to balance the budget. I would make it illegal for congress to increase spending without raising the carbon tax to offset the spending increase.

[kiwichick]

as seldom-seen and others have said the #1 problem
is 7 billion humans on a finite planet with finite resources

Australia has just opened a Population Institute to study the
implications of population growth

a report released today is predicting Australia's population to
increase by 65% to 35 million by 2049 ( from just under 22million today)

i suspect it is softening the sheeple to deleting the baby bribe ( $5000/baby born in Australia) and reducing the family benefit

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'C')hina and India will go on increasing production, population etc. They quite simply don't give a toss.

They will laugh their bollocks off at us westerners taxing ourselves into oblivion, ostensibly to save the planet, while they wreck it.

[Arthur75]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I') like Hansen's Idea of a a redistributive carbon tax, and would support it as proposed. However, I would prefer to add a few tweaks.

First off, I would eliminate the payment to individuals under the age of 18. We all know the real problem is too many people, why encourage more kids? Children should be viewed as a liability, not an asset.

Second, I would not give back 100 % of the tax. Instead I would use the carbon tax to replace the income and payroll taxes for both individuals and corporations. I would give back enough of the carbon tax to individuals over the age of 18, to cover the tax up to say... three times the poverty rate. This would have the effect of untaxing the poor while still encouraging people to reduce their carbon foot print.

Third, you would need to apply tariffs to imports in order to have a level playing field for companies producing locally.

Finally, I would make the tax large enough to balance the budget. I would make it illegal for congress to increase spending without raising the carbon tax to offset the spending increase.

[Arthur75]

Bump


How come Hansen doesn't seem to be on the scene at all these days ?

And what is exactly the status of the cap and trade or tax thing, is it cap and trade for industries ? cap and tax ? tax for everybody ? redistribution ?

A bit strange that this forum seems to have totally scrapped peak oil mitigation measures and associated infrastructures discussions ...

Homesteads will just do that much ..

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'C')hina and India will go on increasing production, population etc. They quite simply don't give a toss.

They will laugh their bollocks off at us westerners taxing ourselves into oblivion, ostensibly to save the planet, while they wreck it.

[Pretorian]

yeah I bought some condoms made in India once.. Big mistake

[Arthur75]

So the US is definitely dead ? You just gave up ?
Bunch of fat fucks pussies, disgusting

[QX]

The proposal to each person having a personal Carbon budget won't work.

Carbon footprint/fingerprint whatever = gasoline use bottom line

so let us repeat it again:
Each person has a certain amount of gasoline they can use each day

hokay now it sounds different, don't it?

The homeless guy gets 1.2 gallons per day he trades it for cigarettes.
The truckdriver goes out of business.
The teenager stays home. The soccer mom takes her kids out of soccer.
The MAyor can't go to the meetings.

Health care workers cant drive to work.

Our economy explodes.

LIMITING CARBON FOR AMERICA IS SAYING LIMITING GAS FOR AMERICA

It cant run withoput unlimited fuel
So you just caused complete chaos.

carbon tax was invented by the europeans as another knife in the back of America so they can benefit with more oil in sub direct ways.

It is all about money, and tricking people to passing foolish laws will allow them to clean us out.

There is no solution, getting mad about it will just end the world sooner.
And it will.
The nations will irritate each other to the point of war between two large powers. Checkout time.

[Arthur75]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('QX', '
')
carbon tax was invented by the europeans as another knife in the back of America so they can benefit with more oil in sub direct ways.

It is all about money, and tricking people to passing foolish laws will allow them to clean us out.

There is no solution, getting mad about it will just end the world sooner.
And it will.
The nations will irritate each other to the point of war between two large powers. Checkout time.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Arthur75', 'S')o the US is definitely dead ? You just gave up ?
Bunch of fat fucks pussies, disgusting