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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 26 Aug 2009, 22:51:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'S')o Smallpoxgirl, you have no problem shooting live cancer cells into your blood? Or mercury?

Mercury is not as bad as you might think.


I've studied all of this indirectly in my geoscience classes. All I have to say is, "You first." I think a person would be a fool to willingly ingest/inject any perceptible amounts of mercury or any other heavy metal.

I also note that you do not mention ANY of the well-supported evidence which supports the theory that mercury is debilitating to the nervous system.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 26 Aug 2009, 23:06:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aldente', 'B')efore that I swam in the drinking water reservoir of the city of Accra during a visit in Ghana, which was a lake that the locals pointed out later was home to a population of crocodiles. It never occured to me that these creatures still exist and how it would feel to be eaten alive by one of those reptiles while swimming leasurely.


You were probably more at risk of those burrowing worms (schistosomiasis) getting into your skin than anything else.
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There is some scary stuff in Africa. I took the prophylactic for malaria when I went to Central America. It makes you feel a bit odd but it's better than getting exhausted from the little buggers' infection. I almost went cross-continent in sub-Saharan Africa in 1994 but my travel mates were hippies and hadn't a clue as to what they were doing. I told them to piss off and they got stuck on the beach near Gibraltar and had to be flown home.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 26 Aug 2009, 23:47:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') also note that you do not mention ANY of the well-supported evidence which supports the theory that mercury is debilitating to the nervous system.


The salient question, of course, is "How much?" You can kill yourself by compulsively drinking too much water if you try hard enough. For a neonate, thimerosal probably warrants consideration. For a full grown adult, not so much.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Novus » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 01:33:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he real doomer scenario is where there are forced vaccinations by the government and the vaccines cause the deaths of the hundreds of thousands to millions. A 21st century holocaust in the USA.

Very unlikely scenario.
Would make it unfeasible to try any further vaccination campaigns for a century at least, so vaccine industry would be destroyed.

Making it compulsory would also result in substantial percentage of population to refuse it as a matter of principle, so some possible conspiracy theories scenarios would not materialize.


It is actually more likely than you think. TPTB that are making this call know the jig is up for humanity in terms of its' overshoot and the rot of a decrepit economy that can not grow in face of peak everything. Various Doctor deaths have given speeches about releasing plagues on humanity to thin the numbers. These insider speeches are met to overwhelming applause. Now years later it is no stretch to think some of these doctor death plans are being put into action. The swine flu itself is a hoax germ no more deadly or contagious than the seasonal flu. However it is the vaccine will be the real killer. The deaths that occur will be blamed on the swine flu by the MSM even increasing vaccine sales in the short term. Long term it won't matter because there is going to be an overshoot related die off no matter what. If TPTB want control over the die off they need to start the controlled dying right NOW as in this year 2009.

Those who refuse the vaccine will have their lives turned upside down. Children kicked from schools or even taken away, drivers' licenses revoked, employment terminated without mandatory vaccination, SS transfer payments halted, etc. There will still be those who refuse but the cost will be high for them so for most they will buckle under the pressure.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 03:06:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'S')o Smallpoxgirl, you have no problem shooting live cancer cells into your blood? Or mercury?

Mercury is not as bad as you might think.


I've studied all of this indirectly in my geoscience classes. All I have to say is, "You first." I think a person would be a fool to willingly ingest/inject any perceptible amounts of mercury or any other heavy metal.

With any medication there are risks and benefits.
Mercury is not an exception, however any medical use of its derivatives should address only diseases serious enough to justify known risks of side effects related to mercury poisoning.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') also note that you do not mention ANY of the well-supported evidence which supports the theory that mercury is debilitating to the nervous system.

So read my previous posts again.
I have mentioned dimethylmercury as a potent neurotoxin.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby jbrovont » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 03:10:55

Even if H1N1 has a 2% kill rate, my odds are still pretty good. Considering the level of controversy surrounding adjuvents and even connecting them to gulf war syndrome - I think I'll take my chances. Besides - I got a flu shot one time, and I got sicker from that than I ever got from a seasonal flu - took me out for about three weeks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'A')lso, why or why not?
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby jbrovont » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 03:15:32

Yeah whatever you may or may not have found, Hg will wtfpwn your nervous system in even small amounts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'S')o Smallpoxgirl, you have no problem shooting live cancer cells into your blood? Or mercury?

Mercury is not as bad as you might think.

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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 03:20:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')hose who refuse the vaccine will have their lives turned upside down. Children kicked from schools or even taken away, drivers' licenses revoked, employment terminated without mandatory vaccination, SS transfer payments halted, etc. There will still be those who refuse but the cost will be high for them so for most they will buckle under the pressure.

That is politically unfeasible, if large numbers are refusing, unless you live in NK.

However if (theoretically) such plans succeeded TPTB would be left in very difficult position.
Natural selection would ensure survival of most disruptive and disobedient individuals and also various criminal elements, those who don't need a job to pass by etc.
Once these individuals have learned that their attitude probably saved their life, they would be even more hardened in their beliefs.

Organized society would descend into unruly mobs and TPTB would end up dangling from lampposts (as it already happened many times through history).
So such strategy could be suicidal.
You need a large percentage of sheep to run organized society.
Those at power are rather nurturing sheeple and not exterminating them.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 03:28:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'Y')eah whatever you may or may not have found, Hg will wtfpwn your nervous system in even small amounts.

How small?
miligrams?
micrograms?
nanograms?
picograms?

In which particular chemical form?
Hg(2+)?
Particular Organomercurials?

Are you aware of certain natural content of mercury derivatives in your body present there all the time regardless of man activity etc?
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 03:35:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'E')ven if H1N1 has a 2% kill rate, my odds are still pretty good. Considering the level of controversy surrounding adjuvents and even connecting them to gulf war syndrome - I think I'll take my chances. Besides - I got a flu shot one time, and I got sicker from that than I ever got from a seasonal flu - took me out for about three weeks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'A')lso, why or why not?

As I have already said, mild diseases causing rushes, pimples and sneezing are not warrantying vaccinations.
However those contagious which are chronic (say hepatitis B), debilitating (say polio) or lethal (say rabies, smallpox*) certainly do, particularly, if you are at significant risk of contact with particular pathogen.

*smallpox is eradicated by now, in large part due to vaccination projects.
Nevertheless it still can be used as biological weapon.

BTW, if you ended up bitten by a fox in the area where rabies is endemic, but fox have run away so you don't know, was that particular fox infected or not, would you vaccinate yourself and accept a small mercury dose in the process, or would you just keep fingers crossed and hope for the best (about 6 months might lapse before rabies develop)?

What if the fox was actually caught and proven rabid?

Inquiring mind want to know...
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Roy » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 07:03:37

Is there any data to support that flu vaccines reduce the chance of contracting the flu or that they reduce the severity of the infection if/when it occurs? SPG?

I keep hearing that there isn't. That may be wrong. Or it may be an opinion.

I am distrustful of this government. Their pants are literally on fire. They lie whenever they speak.

I do not trust big pharm either. And I am aware that this vaccine will be rushed into distribution quicker than normal vaccines. And that the mortality rate for this flu is similar to other strains. The urgency seems unwarranted.

Safe? Not so much.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am worried they will make my kids take it at school to be able to stay in.


I will probably be unemployed by then and would gladly keep them out if that were the case. They don't learn much there anyway, least common denominator and all.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby dukey » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 07:45:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway." - Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA


The original swine vaccine in 76 killed more people than the pandemic. The vaccine program is not about health, it's about making money. Swine flu is no more deadly than regular flu, nothing to be worried about.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Roy » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 08:04:38

Thanks Dukey. I guess that answers my question.

And solidifies my personal choice that NFW will I accept that chemical stew. Nor will my two kids.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 09:11:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'D')o you challenge the veracity of the stories and their content? If not, how did you not know these things which would introduce mercury and cancerous cells directly into the blood? Or is it a issue of not caring? You are a Margaret Sanger supporter, so maybe these things are a vehicle to carry us towards your goal.


Like all CT things its a mix. The cancer cell thing, seems to be sourced from the UFO people, so I doubt it's true. Mercury- true but of little relevance. Human blood and possibly viruses- that's true for some "vaccines" (specifically passive immunity immunoglobulins such as Hbig) but not for flu vaccines.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby AgentR » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 09:50:55

The risks associated with the possibility of being injected by Big Brother's Compliance and Obedience vaccine vs the risks of fighting a flu without a bit of home field advantage just don't seem that great.

Now, if you want to think vaccines are evil conspiracies, I likely can't change your mind. I do distinctly recall the look on the docs face the one time I returned from a trip with an influenza that wasn't part of that years "package". He couldn't have said, "here's your scripts, leave now, stay home." faster.

Now, everyone's own individual experience is really too limited to draw any real conclusions from; but mine impresses upon me that the years I've passed on an early flu shot, Mr. Influenza has beaten the crud out of me; and those years that I've gotten my early shot have passed uneventfully.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')wine flu is no more deadly than regular flu, nothing to be worried about.

Regular flu is entirely lethal, thank you very much.

I wish you continued luck in avoiding an overly hostile engagement with Influenza, but if this is the year it decides to mop the floor with your body, please don't act like people didn't warn you.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Novus » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 10:05:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')hose who refuse the vaccine will have their lives turned upside down. Children kicked from schools or even taken away, drivers' licenses revoked, employment terminated without mandatory vaccination, SS transfer payments halted, etc. There will still be those who refuse but the cost will be high for them so for most they will buckle under the pressure.

That is politically unfeasible, if large numbers are refusing, unless you live in NK.


Very few people will be refusing because for the most part we are nation of sheep.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever if (theoretically) such plans succeeded TPTB would be left in very difficult position.
Natural selection would ensure survival of most disruptive and disobedient individuals and also various criminal elements, those who don't need a job to pass by etc.
Once these individuals have learned that their attitude probably saved their life, they would be even more hardened in their beliefs.


Natural selection takes decades while I doubt TPTB have many plans beyond 2012 other then to lead the sheep to their final slaughter. Those who survive will be the ones that keep their heads down and detach themselves from society. The criminal elements who actively jump up and fight the system will be arrested, shot, killed, etc as domestic terrorists for interfering with the grand plan.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')rganized society would descend into unruly mobs and TPTB would end up dangling from lampposts (as it already happened many times through history).
So such strategy could be suicidal.
You need a large percentage of sheep to run organized society.
Those at power are rather nurturing sheeple and not exterminating them.


The point is to kill off as many of the sheeple as possible before they get a chance to turn into unruly mobs. As I said before the jig is up on the way our society is organized. Right now only the elites and a few conspiracy theorists are aware of the overshoot problem. The die-off will happen regardless. The choice is between a let nature takes its course where society collapses in unpredictable ways or have a controlled kill off where TPTB decide who lives and who dies.
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 10:27:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'D')o you challenge the veracity of the stories and their content? If not, how did you not know these things which would introduce mercury and cancerous cells directly into the blood? Or is it a issue of not caring? You are a Margaret Sanger supporter, so maybe these things are a vehicle to carry us towards your goal.


Like all CT things its a mix. The cancer cell thing, seems to be sourced from the UFO people...


I completely disagree with your characterization of this as conspiracy and again am shocked by your behavior. You reject and denounce by association the material without investigating it. You seem to happily remain ignorant, even though you're a doctor and the public depends on your knowledge base.

Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg is a real doctor and part of Germany's SPD party (which is a real political party, Germany's oldest political party, in fact). He is minister of health for the German state of Schleswig-Holstein (which is a real state in Germany). He has written several essays on the Swine Flu and it appears that he thinks it is blown out of proportion and will have the effect of increased sales for pharmaceutical companies.

You can read all about his opinion on Swine Flu and his characterization of the vaccines (to include cancerous animal cells).

http://www.wodarg.de/english/index.html

This is an essay on what he thinks of the swine flu vaccination program and the unhealthy preparation of the vaccine.
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 51826.html
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 10:29:20

How can a Doctor spend their day's surfing PO.com? :?:
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby dukey » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 10:49:43

doctors these days hardly even look at patients
they just listen to the list of symptoms the patient desribes then types them into the computer and prints a prescription for a drug
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Re: Are you going to take the Swine Flu vaccine?

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 10:56:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'd')octors these days hardly even look at patients
they just listen to the list of symptoms the patient desribes then types them into the computer and prints a prescription for a drug


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