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Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut
Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut
by KrellEnergySource » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 13:05:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd in Canada, pretty much anything goes legally.
I think that's called 'freedom'.
Now, how to have the highest levels of freedom that also lead to sustainability for the next 1000 or so generations (as a start)....that's the nut to crack.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut
by smallpoxgirl » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 14:58:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'F')or example, I doubt a stethoscope costs 10X what it did in 1978. So logically if costs go up 10X, there are some costs going up 2X because of normal inflation and somethings going up like 30X.
I doubt if the cost of a stethoscope has even doubled. The problem is that, in 1978 doctors used x-rays and stethoscopes to diagnose whether your cancer was progressing. In 2009 they use PET scanners and MRIs. PET scanners and MRIs are insanely expensive, and the cost of making the payments on the PET scanner gets tacked on to your x-ray. Since 1978 there's been, I think 7 generations of CT scanners. Every time a new generation comes along, the hospital packs up the old one and sells it to India and gets the new one. Penicillin is virtually free, but nobody gets treated with Penicillin anymore. They get $20,000 worth of Zivox and Xigris. In India, if an outpatient surgical center has a fatality or two, its recognized as an inherent risk of medical care. Here it's a terrible scandle and you get eighteen different regulatory agencies trying to close the place down.
The fundamental problem with American medicine is that we're living in a Star Trek fantasy where everyone lives forever thanks to tricorders and other miracle cures. The reality is that a lot of American medicine is beyond our ability to afford and it provides very little in the way of tangible benefits. The Indians don't have the resources to indulge in such self delusion, but Americans are still holding on tenaciously to the fantasy. We absolutely must bring ourselves to deal with the reality that virtually all of the diagnostic and treatment modalities that provide a reasonable cost/benefit ratio were discovered before 1990. We must accept that if our life expectancy is going to rise significantly it's going to be because we address the health impacts of poverty, bad diet, and such, not because of any new breakthrough in medicine. We need to strive for living as long as our parents at a cost we can afford. Only once we accept that reality can we have a reasonable discussion about reforming healthcare. Obamaclaus is making a bunch of promises that he simply can't fulfill. Our society doesn't have the resources, will, or inclination to provide Star Trek care to the entire population. It would simply consume too much of the GDP.
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What we thought would never end
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The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut
by americandream » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 15:49:13
We made a school trip to the USSR shortly before it fell. Even us school kids were impressed with the clean air, lack of cars, well mannered individuals, and our Soviet teenage peers were leagues ahead of us in terms of maturity and intellectual ability. However there was an awareness amongst them that the world was not yet ready for socialism, even the USSR, and that the 1917 revolution had pre-empted history and was about to be undone as an objective fact.
When I talk about socialist man, I contemplate a truly civilised, fully rounded human whereas we are currently in the age of the mechanised neanderthal and have a ways to go yet.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Which part of a tax code that seeks to Thatcherise the poor into homeowners don't you get? Which part of a tax code that promotes the privately owned asset over the socialised asset don't you get.
Marxists want no truck with scams. This world is for all to use and take is our belief. We remain resolute in that belief despite the "left" label being bandied about as marxian. It isn't. You can reinvent any old story to sustain the ponzi scheme but the fact remains, we ran a Soviet in the USSR with not a single tax coded housing scam and we still got harangued for not having "choice". In your economies, you impose these ideological fundamentals by using the tax code and when things go bad, its our fault for too much choice. Its the fault of your travel mates. Had we run the show, there would be no private ownership of homes. All it does is create bubbles, scams and the homeless.
When I talk about socialist man, I contemplate a truly civilised, fully rounded human whereas we are currently in the age of the mechanised neanderthal and have a ways to go yet.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Which part of a tax code that seeks to Thatcherise the poor into homeowners don't you get? Which part of a tax code that promotes the privately owned asset over the socialised asset don't you get.
Marxists want no truck with scams. This world is for all to use and take is our belief. We remain resolute in that belief despite the "left" label being bandied about as marxian. It isn't. You can reinvent any old story to sustain the ponzi scheme but the fact remains, we ran a Soviet in the USSR with not a single tax coded housing scam and we still got harangued for not having "choice". In your economies, you impose these ideological fundamentals by using the tax code and when things go bad, its our fault for too much choice. Its the fault of your travel mates. Had we run the show, there would be no private ownership of homes. All it does is create bubbles, scams and the homeless.
And despite all its great wonders, lol, the USSR still had major problems with IV drug use and alcoholism.
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