Ha, don't hold your breath too long!
I'll tell you one thing, my shares are up 35% in the 7 days of trading since I bought them.
It will probably suck when I lose my shirt!
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THE EEStor Thread (merged)
Re: Prospects of EV capacitor technology from EEStor
by drew » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 19:33:41
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Re: Prospects of EV capacitor technology from EEStor
by Carlhole » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 11:03:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'H')a, don't hold your breath too long! I'll tell you one thing, my shares are up 35% in the 7 days of trading since I bought them. It will probably suck when I lose my shirt!
Buy the rumor, sell the news. Usually with stocks like this, the insiders start selling way before the news breaks. So you have to try to pick a top and place a sell order there.
Even if the news is halfway decent when and if it emerges, ZNN.V will spike and dump. This market is brutal to spec stocks. People get scared and take profits in a snap. The shorts are always piling on every opportunity to the downside.
I own APWR, which really has great fundamentals and is a great trading stock because of the big moves up and down. It's climbed from a low of $3.30 to $10 and has been as high as $14. But you have to be ready to drop 50% (or maybe all?) and not care too much about it.
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Re: Prospects of EV capacitor technology from EEStor
by Carlhole » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 23:52:01
Zenn Says Lithium Off the Table, Still Bets on EEStor
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f Canadian electric vehicle maker Zenn Motor Co. once saw lithium-ion batteries as a possible alternative to devices from its controversial investment in ultracapacitor developer EEStor, the more standard technology is now officially out of the running for its future cars. According to Zenn’s third-quarter results release, out today, the company’s engineering group “re-evaluated a number of lithium-based power-packs for inclusion in its solutions” between April and the end of June. But those efforts, in the context of what Zenn calls “the progressed state of development” of EEStor’s technology, have brought the company to the following conclusion: Lithium does not offer “an economically viable power source for its offerings.”
In essence, Zenn is saying that if everything goes well with EEStor’s tech, it will be more economical than currently available lithium-ion offerings. It seems to have already evaluated the lithium-ion technology gaining support from the U.S. government and being used by other automakers, such as General Motors for its Chevy Volt and Toyota for the trial versions of a plug-in Prius. Taking lithium off the table seems, in part, like a vote of confidence for EEStor.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f Canadian electric vehicle maker Zenn Motor Co. once saw lithium-ion batteries as a possible alternative to devices from its controversial investment in ultracapacitor developer EEStor, the more standard technology is now officially out of the running for its future cars. According to Zenn’s third-quarter results release, out today, the company’s engineering group “re-evaluated a number of lithium-based power-packs for inclusion in its solutions” between April and the end of June. But those efforts, in the context of what Zenn calls “the progressed state of development” of EEStor’s technology, have brought the company to the following conclusion: Lithium does not offer “an economically viable power source for its offerings.”
In essence, Zenn is saying that if everything goes well with EEStor’s tech, it will be more economical than currently available lithium-ion offerings. It seems to have already evaluated the lithium-ion technology gaining support from the U.S. government and being used by other automakers, such as General Motors for its Chevy Volt and Toyota for the trial versions of a plug-in Prius. Taking lithium off the table seems, in part, like a vote of confidence for EEStor.
Can you imagine how high those shares would rise if thing actually panned out?
You know what's missing from this discussion?-- are a few comments or interviews with physicists about what is known so far about permittivity in general.
There must be other chemical compounds or other kinds of nano wizardy that promise to greatly "permit" a comparatively collosal capacitance. Are there physical limits to this idea? What's so damn special about the molecular arrangement of barium titranate that prevents experts from issuing a definite "NO" to the question of whether or not EEstor is for real?
Some journalist ought to interview some physicists and write an layman's article on the subject. Sure would get a lot of attention right now.
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Re: Prospects of EV capacitor technology from EEStor
by EnergyUnlimited » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 07:45:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')You know what's missing from this discussion?-- are a few comments or interviews with physicists about what is known so far about permittivity in general.
')You know what's missing from this discussion?-- are a few comments or interviews with physicists about what is known so far about permittivity in general.
However at the moment nothing scientifically authoritative can be said.
We understand a phenomenon to large degree but we can say nothing about its possible ceiling, eg highest permeability achievable with use of arbitrary combination of existing chemical elements.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here must be other chemical compounds or other kinds of nano wizardy that promise to greatly "permit" a comparatively collosal capacitance.
Or there might be none and even barium titanate might be (and probably is...) not up to the task.
There are no immediate physical limits for dielectric permeability but nevertheless there might be no existing (even in theory) physical material, which would allow sufficient permeability for capacitors meeting car use specifications to exist.
And up to now EEStor have delivered nothing except of PR exercises and media statements.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')re there physical limits to this idea? What's so damn special about the molecular arrangement of barium titranate that prevents experts from issuing a definite "NO" to the question of whether or not EEstor is for real?
There are still plenty of unknowns in solid state physics.
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