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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 15:42:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'A')nd why is that? I see no reason what so ever that electrcity will dissapear. Do you just make a statment of how you think it will be.. based on.. what you think? Or is it some kind of reasoning behind it?

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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 16:05:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')k, thats great . So what is a third world country?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he term Third World was originally intended to distinguish the nonaligned nations that gained independence from colonial rule beginning after World War II from the Western nations and from those that formed the former Eastern bloc, and sometimes more specifically from the United States and from the former Soviet Union (the first and second worlds, respectively).

People in the first world, often describe third world countries as underdeveloped, overpopulated, and oppressed. Third world people are sometimes portrayed as uneducated, helpless, or backwards.

The dependency theory suggests that multinational corporations and organizations such as the IMF and World Bank have contributed to making third world countries dependent on first world countries for economic survival. The theory states that this dependence is self-maintaining because the economic systems tend to benefit first world countries and corporations.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Gener ... d_def.html

The last paragraph there is really the heart of my argument. The US has been looted by the same International bankers who have this down to a science, after decades of breaking other countries over their knee (see documentary, Life & Debt, re Jamaica and the IMF).

As for the other third world "indicators." Health, infant mortality, crime, corruption etc... We're probably right in their with our 3rd world counterparts.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 16:18:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')k, thats great . So what is a third world country?


Not a failed state, certainly. Somalia is a failed state for instance. Third world would be like Thailand; quite a bit of technology and infrastructure; yet more than a few peasants farming commercially by hand and ox, and a level of poverty below them that is truly abject when compared to what is experienced currently in the US. The veil that separates business/industrial interests and the government is much thinner; and the influence of wealthy interests is much more blatant. Corruption from the bottom up stops becoming offensive, and starts becoming an assumed portion of the government employee's income; potential US counterpart could be FBI agents, paid $60k a year, and expected to live in an area that requires no less than $200k a year income to be viable. They wouldn't ask where the extra money comes from, as long as its not overly hideous in its method of acquisition. Shall we say, "consulting" fees; ie, we consult, or you come with me to headquarters... I think the barometer we might watch from where most of us sit, is when civil employees think of their job more in terms of the status it grants than the paltry paycheck that could be forgotten without concern.

I don't think the US is quite there yet; but it seems like an inevitable outcome now.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby Arthur75 » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 17:10:06

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The current '3rd. World' regions have far more people now than ever before and so they are in for a rough ride also as their numbers become corrected.


Yes very true, and not forgetting the fact that for quite a few 3rd world countries, a major source of income is the money sent to families by people having emigrated in the "1st world", typically the case for countries like Mali for instance, or the Philippines, even Mexico I think, and the fact that this source is diminishing is already a problem for many of them.


And about population, Ethiopia for instance population estimated at 11.8 millions in 1900, now 88 or something with still a fertility rate at 5.6 ...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;By the year 2050, the Washington-based Population Reference Bureau says Ethiopia's population will grow by an astounding 120 percent.

That means in 44 years, the population of Ethiopia is expected to be around 169 million people. " ...


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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby JJ » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 18:13:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'A')ll of the few survivors in the world after the oil crash (considering climate disruption, biodiversity loss and world soil degradation also) will be living at best what we now call a 3rd. World type of life with no electricity, no motors of any kind with food, water, shelter and transportation being only what people can provide for themselves or as a part of a small community.


Agreed. Those in the current third-world countries probably won't even notice the difference when the first-world countries collapse. They have had years/centuries of practice improvising just to survive. What are all the folks in Atlanta and Las Vegas going to do when the shelves at Walmart are bare?


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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby Gorm » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 18:18:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'A')nd why is that? I see no reason what so ever that electrcity will dissapear. Do you just make a statment of how you think it will be.. based on.. what you think? Or is it some kind of reasoning behind it?

Definitely not in Sweden... until forests last... :-D


We dont use forests for electristy, nor do we use oil, NG or any fossil source. Basically we get it from Hydro andr nuclear. Wind has grown, but still small.

And, the forests havent been this big as they are now, well.. since the 1800:s at least.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 18:40:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')k, thats great . So what is a third world country?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he term Third World was originally intended to distinguish the nonaligned nations that gained independence from colonial rule beginning after World War II from the Western nations and from those that formed the former Eastern bloc, and sometimes more specifically from the United States and from the former Soviet Union (the first and second worlds, respectively).

People in the first world, often describe third world countries as underdeveloped, overpopulated, and oppressed. Third world people are sometimes portrayed as uneducated, helpless, or backwards.

The dependency theory suggests that multinational corporations and organizations such as the IMF and World Bank have contributed to making third world countries dependent on first world countries for economic survival. The theory states that this dependence is self-maintaining because the economic systems tend to benefit first world countries and corporations.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Gener ... d_def.html

The last paragraph there is really the heart of my argument. The US has been looted by the same International bankers who have this down to a science, after decades of breaking other countries over their knee (see documentary, Life & Debt, re Jamaica and the IMF).

As for the other third world "indicators." Health, infant mortality, crime, corruption etc... We're probably right in their with our 3rd world counterparts.



That will be the correct version. It ahs nothing to do with backwardness, poverty, corruption ets
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 18:48:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')hat will be the correct version. It ahs nothing to do with backwardness, poverty, corruption ets

The original definition of the word may not, but in common usage it certainly does.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby gandolf » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 21:18:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'T')he way I see it if America becomes a 3rd world than what will happen to the 3rd worlds now that depend a lot on us now, they will be even worse off, than we won't be such a bad 3rd world than, you have to go to a real 3rd worlds to see what it is really like than you will see we are far from it..

Not saying that are economy is hunky doory however.. :lol:


I had heard that people can’t spell in 3rd world countries (Or speak English).... I guess that this confirms US of A's new position

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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby gandolf » Mon 10 Aug 2009, 21:22:25

Jeezz I had to submit the above comment 3 times before I got the spelling and grammar right

Guess good old Aussie isn’t doing to well either
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 11 Aug 2009, 05:02:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')hat will be the correct version. It ahs nothing to do with backwardness, poverty, corruption ets

The original definition of the word may not, but in common usage it certainly does.


Still I see no reason to perpetuate ignorance. The common usage of this term grew into nothing but a PC-correct euphemistic version of a racial slur.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby timmac » Thu 13 Aug 2009, 04:42:34

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every important resource that you guys can't consume anymore because you are broke will become so cheap that other countries finally get the change to import more instead of you pigs.

Not that a retard with a brain of a carrot will understand it go watch some O' Reilly more with gas freak Oily and monkey brain Anti Doomer.




Southpaw you are as ignorant as your post, so us Americans are Pigs, and if we stop consuming than it will be cheaper for you ass wipe Belgians than, OOKK, than those 3rd world factory workers will do better selling it for less to idiots like you, they what earn about 25 cents a hour now and they will be better off selling it cheaper at a wage of maybe 15 cents a hour, hhhmm.

You need to go see your mail order bride in the Philippines and stop posting here it makes you look stupid, :razz:
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby holmes » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 15:06:23

Figured I was done posting on this site but since its Seldom_Seen Smiths thread Ill do it.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 15:21:32

Income Inequality Is At An All-Time High:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Income inequality in the United States is at an all-time high, surpassing even levels seen during the Great Depression, according to a recently updated paper by University of California, Berkeley Professor Emmanuel Saez. The paper, which covers data through 2007, points to a staggering, unprecedented disparity in American incomes. On his blog, Nobel prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman called the numbers "truly amazing."

Though income inequality has been growing for some time, the paper paints a stark, disturbing portrait of wealth distribution in America. Saez calculates that in 2007 the top .01 percent of American earners took home 6 percent of total U.S. wages, a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000.

As of 2007, the top decile of American earners, Saez writes, pulled in 49.7 percent of total wages, a level that's "higher than any other year since 1917 and even surpasses 1928, the peak of stock market bubble in the 'roaring" 1920s.'"

Beginning in the economic expansion of the early 1990s, Saez argues, the economy began to favor the top tiers American earners, but much of the country missed was left behind. "The top 1 percent incomes captured half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2007," Saes writes. ')
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 22:58:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '[')b]Income Inequality Is At An All-Time High:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '"The top 1 percent incomes captured half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2007," Saes writes. ')

Wow. Nice find eXpat. That has third world status written all over it.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 23:00:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'F')igured I was done posting on this site but since its Seldom_Seen Smiths thread Ill do it.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 23:12:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '[')b]Income Inequality Is At An All-Time High:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '"The top 1 percent incomes captured half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2007," Saes writes. ')

Wow. Nice find eXpat. That has third world status written all over it.

Aye, that is one of the most basic tenets of a banana republic :lol:
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 15 Aug 2009, 01:58:57

I would love to see someone draw a comparison between a country's Gini coefficient and civil unrest.
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 16:25:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')hat will be the correct version. It ahs nothing to do with backwardness, poverty, corruption ets

The original definition of the word may not, but in common usage it certainly does.


Still I see no reason to perpetuate ignorance. The common usage of this term grew into nothing but a PC-correct euphemistic version of a racial slur.

You seem to be preoccupied with race issues. The subject of this thread was that the US has been setup and knocked down by the same group of International bankers that have honed their strategy to perfection on many, what are considered "3rd World" countries.

The fallout of this process will leave the US in a condition that would be considered "3rd world" or how about underdeveloped? Is their racial undertones to the word underdeveloped as well?
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Re: The US is now officially a 3rd world country

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 20 Aug 2009, 01:15:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]California to get $1.5-billion loan from JPMorgan Chase

The risk to JPMorgan is virtually nil...

Beyond the interest it will earn on the $1.5-billion loan, JPMorgan's proactive move on the deal is a way to get back into the good graces of a state that always has plenty of fee-generating financing needs.

In other good news for the state, Standard & Poor's said Tuesday that California's budget-balancing plan was solid enough to keep its low credit rating from getting lower, at least in the short term.

The rating company affirmed its "A" grade on the state's $67 billion in outstanding general obligation bonds and removed the debt from its "negative credit watch" list. That means "the potential for a downgrade is now less imminent," said S&P analyst Gabriel Petek.

It sounds like things are shaping up in the Democratic Republic of The California.

They're giving JPMorgan a sweetheart deal with "virtually no risk" to JPMorgan, and lots of interest payments. It's good to be a banker when the economy goes butts up. You have all the money, you can loan it or not, there's no risk to the loan, and you get lots of interest payments. It sounds almost like how the IMF would give a loan to say Honduras?

The stalwart rating agencies are there though with a big "A" rating for California's debt. No problemos muchachos!

Here's a big problem though with being a 3rd world country. The US likes to invade 3rd world countries. 8O

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