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THE Homeless Hooverville Tent City Thread (merged)

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 17 May 2009, 18:42:12

They are having the annual spring "clean-up" in Anchorage, where they pick up all the litter and stuff that melts out of the snow in spring.

So far the kids on the litter patrols and some other folks have found four bodies that apparently were buried in snow much of the winter.

Its tough being homeless in Alaska----the climate and the social policies are so much more liberal and better and more....welcoming..... for the homeless in San Francisco.

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 18:51:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')hey are having the annual spring "clean-up" in Anchorage, where they pick up all the litter and stuff that melts out of the snow in spring.

So far the kids on the litter patrols and some other folks have found four bodies that apparently were buried in snow much of the winter.

Its tough being homeless in Alaska----the climate and the social policies are so much more liberal and better and more....welcoming..... for the homeless in San Francisco.

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Unread postby MarkJ » Mon 18 May 2009, 08:44:57

Our subzero temperatures, snow, ice, suburban and rural locations prevent homeless people from taking root.

Homeless people generally flock to urban areas with support systems such as homeless shelters, soup kitchens, food banks, emergency housing, homeless motels, public/private subsidized housing, low rent slumlords, walkable neighborhoods, public transit, convenience stores etc.

Just the transportation challenges alone keep the chronic homeless, serial homeless and many income challenged residents out of the suburbs and rural areas.
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Cities Tolerate Homeless Camps

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 11 Aug 2009, 15:17:43

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Re: Cities Tolerate Homeless Camps

Unread postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Tue 11 Aug 2009, 23:10:41

So Nashville is going to use stimulus money to build "affordable rental units." What is affordable when you can't find a job as a bricklayer? Can rent be $1 a month?

Bummer about that guy who went to Nashville to find his father and found out he "wasn't interested" in a relationship. :x
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Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 11:10:13

I have noticed in my home city of Winnipeg recently, that the number of homeless people has decreased substancially.

Typically Winnipeg has a stable number of homeless/ destitute people because of its climate. The summers can reach 39 Celcius with high humidities making the summers too hot to remain outside during the day.
While the winters literally can stay at or near -40 Celcius for days at a time, meaning anyone without a home or potentially living in a tent or under a bridge would freeze to death. As a consequence there seems to be a transient migration away from the city each winter as the destitute seek warmer climates to inhabit.

A teenager cousin of mine who works at a downtown gas bar was recently given heck by his dad (my uncle) for trying to stop bums from stealing the squegies from the gas bar he works at. In my uncles own words 'Your risking your life to get back a 2 or 3 dollar squegie, who knows if these bums will pull a knife on you or what'. My uncle then went on to say, to the rest of the people at his barbeque party, that 'You really didn't think that these bums who come up to your car when your stopped at red lights -actually pay for the squegies that they use to mop down your windshield with!'.

I hear the city of Vancouver has a major problem with homeless people. When I lived in Vancouver in 1993-1994 there were about 100,000 homeless people living there. My dad, (who is currently living in Vancouver), says that number has now tripled to about 300,000 homeless people. Vancouver has a moderate climate. The summers don't pass 30 degrees Celcius, the winters are no colder than -15 degrees Celcius, making the city a migratory draw for the homeless.

During the severe 1991-1994 recession in Canada, the draconian conservative government of Alberta was giving the poor and the homeless 'free one way bus tickets to Vancouver' for anyone they considered 'undesirable', such as anybody living on public welfare. A unique way to deal with domestic problems of poverty- send them all somewhere else and forget about them.

Yesterday I was approached (while I was in my car at red lights) by two bums each with his own gimmick to get money. The first one held up a sign that said 'Ninga's killed all of my family, I need money to take Kung Fu lessons'. The second one actually stood in front of my car blocking traffic, with a sign that read 'I wanted to be a cowboy, but an indian stole my horse'.

When I see a young teenager with a sign like 'hungry and travelling', or someone old and handicapped with a sign like 'will work for food', that is something that would make me pause and see how much spare cash I can part with. Bums, who will likely use any money donated to them for drugs, alcohol, or whatever, such as the men I was confronted with yesterday, get a wave 'goodbye' and no hand out.

Things like this makes me wonder, how long till I myself will be so desperate that I'll be outside holding a 'will work for food sign'. Or how bad the current situation will get worldwide with the recent economic collapse. I would bet that Southern US states where the climate is moderate, would they have a proportunatly higher number of homeless, and destitute people?? I wonder about other temperate megacities in the 1st world, that have already have large 'tent cities'- will all major 1st world cities follow the path of 3rd world cities like Rio, Mexico city, and Cairo that all have hopeless and permanent slum shanty towns build around their outskirts??
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 16:03:02

so colder areas with abundant energy resources (e.g. Idaho) could be expected to have fewer homeless problems ?

the thing is, Vancouver city does get cold.

i wonder how many homeless people are living in Stanley Park ? that's sort of like Golden Gate Park in SF, it's a huge park in Vancouver city. that's where i'd go if i was homeless in Vancouver.
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby ian807 » Fri 14 Aug 2009, 19:59:52

Sorry to say that a lot of people will freeze to death this winter.
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby Ayame » Sat 15 Aug 2009, 06:17:06

I don't get it. Animals would not be left on the streets to freeze to death. They would be taken into shelters. So why are people treated worse than animals?
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 15 Aug 2009, 07:03:13

It's called the 'Just World' view. Where humans decide to believe that God or Karma etc. are dishing out just deserts to the wicked. Humans don't believe in animal evil so they will take pity on animals such as cats (truly vicious hunters) whilst allowing or even condoning the suffering of humans.
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sat 15 Aug 2009, 07:53:29

Some truth to that.
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby Ayame » Sat 15 Aug 2009, 11:38:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')t's called the 'Just World' view. Where humans decide to believe that God or Karma etc. are dishing out just deserts to the wicked. Humans don't believe in animal evil so they will take pity on animals such as cats (truly vicious hunters) whilst allowing or even condoning the suffering of humans.


Well I must have done something extremely wicked to have been given borderline personality disorder. Thing is I can't remember it. In the future you will find me frozen solid on the street unless my sister who escaped mental illness will adopt me.
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Re: Homeless/ tent city thread

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 15 Aug 2009, 13:02:42

I think a few posters have misunderstood my original post. Its not that there are no homeless shelters in Winnipeg, there are many. The Salvation Army, and the Saloam mission are very popular charaties here, I myself make regular donations to them despite the fact that I myself have limited means.

Every winter the transitent homeless migrate to warmer climates leaving the local entrenched homeless population, that is accustomed to the weather extremes, to the care of our shelters, welfare and other relief programs.

Winters in Winnipeg are severe. You don't find squegie kids on busy street corners moping down windshields when the outside temperture is below -20 Celcius. People don't bum around outside when it can be literally painful (ie. frostbite & windchill) to be outside in the cold.

I have a nephew who has made all the wrong choices in life. After dropping out of high school he started living on the street, using and dealing drugs, becoming addicted to both cocaine and heroin. One night he called my wife and told her that his girlfriend and him were (in winter) living in an abandonded building downtown. There after a stint of living in the basement of my house over the balance of the winter, the last I heard from him, he was living under a bridge in Vancouver. (Insidently he and the other people living in this tent city area had a shared common computer they had hooked up under the bridge).

When he was living with me he had his girlfriend and dog with him as well. He showed me pictures of all the trips he's taken all over the world, hitchhiking, airplane trips overseas (likely paid for with drug trafficing money). In some ways I envy the carefree life he has lived, where in no case, whatsoever, would I like to lead the life that he has led.

As one poster has pointed out however, I would expect the least habitable areas, in terms of climate, to have lower levels of homelessness. As the destitute quickly relocate elsewhere.
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Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 18:41:45

Not a pretty scene, I wonder why they tell stories, probably will get them kicked out. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fe ... Vegas.html
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Re: Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 20:24:23

WOW!

That's an eye opener, what happens when it rains?
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Re: Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby the48thronin » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 20:42:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'W')OW! That's an eye opener, what happens when it rains?
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Re: Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 20:50:07

The ones addicted to ice will scamper out like rats; those on downers and smack will die.
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Re: Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby efarmer » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 20:52:59

One guy runs his big yapper and there goes the whole tunnelhood.

Knowing Las Vegas, it won't be long before someone sells tickets for a guided tour of the Sin City Underground and they all have to turn pro and tryout for the various roles and wear makeup.

Looked through my closet the other day,and I think I could be the wardrobe director.
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Re: Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby shortonsense » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 21:42:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'W')OW! That's an eye opener, what happens when it rains?
some of them drown
It could be quite the scene when Vegas gets one of those once in 10 year gully washers, couldn't it? Based on the reasons why some of them are down there, it could also cut the citys rehab program in half. Heck, maybe they are the ones who suggested it, knowing the odds?
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Re: Hundreds Live In Tunnels Under Las Vegas

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Tue 29 Sep 2009, 22:20:14

Where else are you going to go when you spend half your money to get there and the other half in the first 2 hours on slot-machines before even checking into a room?
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