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Re: There will be riots in LA

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 22:57:38

Downtown Los Angeles scene of military exercises
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ilitary helicopters that have been startling Los Angeles residents with night-time flights downtown are just part of an ongoing exercise to familiarize troops with urban operations in preparation for deployment overseas.

Local TV, radio and other news outlets had received calls from several residents reporting helicopters darting between skyscrapers and carrying armed troops over City Hall.

Some speculated that the maneuvers were part of a movie shoot, but a notice on the LAPD blog revealed that police would be assisting the military in a group of urban exercises that will end Saturday.

In addition to the downtown flights, other activities are planned around town, so police said residents should not be alarmed if they happen across military units in uniform or carrying weapons.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7104-LA-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Downtown-Los-Angeles-scene-of-military-exercises
This has been confirmed by LAPD
LAPD Supports Urban Military Training Exercises NR09285rf
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')os Angeles: From June 15-27, 2009, the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) will be providing support for joint military training exercises in and around the greater Los Angeles area.

The operations will be routine training exercises conducted by military personnel, designed to ensure the military’s ability to operate in urban environments, prepare forces for upcoming overseas deployments and meet mandatory training certification requirements.

Training sites have been carefully selected so that activities do not interfere with the daily routines of the local populace. Safety precautions have also been taken to prevent risk to the general public, as well as to military personnel involved. The training is not open to the public.

http://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/news_view/42007
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Re: There will be riots in LA

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 00:42:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '[')b]Downtown Los Angeles scene of military exercises
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ilitary helicopters that have been startling Los Angeles residents with night-time flights downtown are just part of an ongoing exercise to familiarize troops with urban operations in preparation for deployment overseas.

Local TV, radio and other news outlets had received calls from several residents reporting helicopters darting between skyscrapers and carrying armed troops over City Hall.

Some speculated that the maneuvers were part of a movie shoot, but a notice on the LAPD blog revealed that police would be assisting the military in a group of urban exercises that will end Saturday.

In addition to the downtown flights, other activities are planned around town, so police said residents should not be alarmed if they happen across military units in uniform or carrying weapons.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7104-LA-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Downtown-Los-Angeles-scene-of-military-exercises
This has been confirmed by LAPD
LAPD Supports Urban Military Training Exercises NR09285rf
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')os Angeles: From June 15-27, 2009, the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) will be providing support for joint military training exercises in and around the greater Los Angeles area.

The operations will be routine training exercises conducted by military personnel, designed to ensure the military’s ability to operate in urban environments, prepare forces for upcoming overseas deployments and meet mandatory training certification requirements.

Training sites have been carefully selected so that activities do not interfere with the daily routines of the local populace. Safety precautions have also been taken to prevent risk to the general public, as well as to military personnel involved. The training is not open to the public.

http://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/news_view/42007


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Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Pops » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 17:28:29

Are we in the US closer to civil unrest than one year ago or is the current level of political discourse essentially the same as always?

Or, for a third option, has the policy at PO.com of allowing most any type of speech simply brought out the worst in Party Over People politics?

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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 17:33:45

I feel it's good for people to be talking. There's been more talking about race in the last three years than I've ever seen.

It's when people stop talking and start loading that trouble starts. :|
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 17:46:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]Party Over People politics?


The singular acronym: Pop. Plural: Pops.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's been more talking about race in the last three years than I've ever seen.


I think that the topic of race has been getting louder over the years. Even worse is the intent within a lot of other really hateful speech. I must think that a lot of the Birthers are so against Obama because he is black. Couple that with his pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-government, etc. agenda, under which people can hide their race frustrations, and it could be a powderkeg within a fringe group.

But I don't think that we're near an unbuckling of civility for the majority of people. I would not be surprised if fringe groups increased hate crimes and violence, especially on the downslope.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Pops » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 18:25:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]Party Over People politics?


The singular acronym: Pop. Plural: Pops.

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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 18:44:44

Over the years we've seen a lot of people committing crimes hoping to start a race war, which was Charlie Manson's plan. White supremacist fantasies involve Taliban style sabotage of infrastructure and basic services to create tensions that will result in a race war. I think that white supremacists hope to assassinate Obama and then carry out large scale killings of blacks in the resulting unrest, fantasizing that the massacres would spread and kill millions.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby NTBKtrader » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 18:53:40

White people are too fat and old to riot.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Novus » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 19:00:35

The riots will be a long class lines and not racial lines. The middle class is disappearing so that all that will be left in the US is rich haves and poor have nots. This is a breeding ground for a Marxist revolution.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby JJ » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 19:08:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'W')hite people are too fat and old to riot.


yeah, all the old fatties here will be sitting in their electricy-less houses waiting for help to come.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby americandream » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 19:49:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he riots will be a long class lines and not racial lines. The middle class is disappearing so that all that will be left in the US is rich haves and poor have nots. This is a breeding ground for a Marxist revolution.


You got it there Novus. There's nothing more sobering than unrelenting poverty in the face of the failed promises of tribalism.

However, the transition can take some time when religion is thrown into the mix. Witness Islam and its tribal power in the face of the grinding povery and inequity within Islamic regions. It will take roughly 5 to 6 decades of failed promises for the rank and file worker to finally seek to throw off the relentless poverty with a popular insurrection.

In other words, utter failure of capitalism under its many chameleon like guises must precede its complete extinguishment.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 19:52:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he riots will be a long class lines and not racial lines. The middle class is disappearing so that all that will be left in the US is rich haves and poor have nots. This is a breeding ground for a Marxist revolution.


+1 here. This is not at all about race although some people will try to frame it that way. What is happening is that the people who work are getting pissed at seeing the products of their labor being co-opted by the government and wall street.

The rioters will be from the working poor up to the working rich. The welfare poor, illegal aliens, and ultra-rich will sit it out.

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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Maddog78 » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 20:40:30

No chance.
Thing's are not nearly bad enough.
The media says it's getting better.
There will be a new judge on american Idol to watch and football starts soon.
Relax, J6P, lean back, fuhgedaboutit.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 20:50:16

The US is fairly well integrated, except at the extremely rich and extremely poor ends of the spectrum. I don't think race riots will happen in middle-class integrated neighborhoods and suburbs

I don't think the extremely rich are likely to riot.

If the summers are hot enough, or if some other reason manifests itself, we may continue to see more riots by extemely poor alienated people living in racially segregated urban ghettos, as has been occurring intermittently ever since the 1960s.

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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 21:32:37

It depends on where you are sitting. My son is an attorney making six figures living in Indian Rocks Beach. He thinks the recession is over. I had dinner last night with one of the main commercial plumbers in our area. He thinks it is spinning out of control. Egalitarianism is a product of plenty. When it comes to survival, it is us against them.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 22:02:31

Don't underestimate the effect of AM radio and Fox News spreading stories like during Katrina about marauding black gangs and blacks shooting at rescue choppers. Whites used this as an excuse for purely recreational shootings of black people merely walking by.

In case of emergency, you can definitely expect people like Rush and Mark Levine to spread stories in the vein of "Hotel Rwanda" and "War Of The Worlds" about the rampaging black hordes, triggering some violent race based panic.

There is also a fair chance of some white supremacist or Millenialist fundies unit in the military seeing just about anything as fitting their personal script for apocalylypse and maybe dispensing some napalm, because they spend a lot of time fantasizing over that sort of thing.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby NTBKtrader » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 23:07:44

Yes whites encourage and fantasize over that sort of thing which is why we need to continue to slowly lower their population.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 23:17:35

The real lesson that Katrina should have provided was that the federal government is incapable of looking after the welfare of the population during a large scale emergency. Preston I do not know if you have lived through a hurricane. I have. In 04 three came right over the top of my house. What you discover in those times is that the government is powerless to restore electricity and water. You can’t write a check and get it done. The infrastructure has to be repaired. There are only so many people with the skills to do the repairs and they can only work so many 12 to 16 hour days.

Nobody in my neck of the woods was listening to Rush during those times. We were too busy cutting the trees off my mother’s house and getting food and fuel to those family members in Wauchula who had nothing.

The government showed up pretty much after the emergency had passed. It is my understanding that many people in New Orleans were forced back into the city by the surrounding authorities. That’s a government problem.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 23:26:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'Y')es whites encourage and fantasize over that sort of thing which is why we need to continue to slowly lower their population.

Plenty of white racist snuff porn paperbacks, fan fiction, web sites, music, clubs. Pandering to these turds is big business.
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Re: Race riots or worse...

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Sat 08 Aug 2009, 23:31:00

Race won't matter during the renewed Dark Ages to come (for almost all survivors will be mongrels).

Like in passed ages, only brutal might will matter.
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