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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby Kristen » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 22:21:10

I know, an IOU seems pretty useless. If they are issuing IOUs instead of giving money, it makes you wonder if these IOUs are even redeemable for cash ever. How long before the workers quit and we stop recieving our mail?
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby deMolay » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 22:39:15

Look Kristen, I am Flabbergasted by this news. It is unprecedented in the history of the USA. I live in Canada, and if Ottawa said that we can't pay our CanadaPost workers, it would mean that no other level of government was going to get paid either. It would scare the living shit out of me. It would mean that Canada as a nation could no longer afford core service of the most basic kind. And hand out IOU's. Come on it is OVER.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby Caffeine » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 23:06:29

Perhaps we might assume that regular and reliable mail delivery may become a thing of the past... This should be a factor in your planning.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby Kristen » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 23:11:28

Canada too?!? oh no! I'm watching CBS news right now and they aren't even covering this. It's all health care, health care and health care.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby hardtootell-2 » Wed 22 Jul 2009, 23:21:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'C')anada too?!? oh no! I'm watching CBS news right now and they aren't even covering this. It's all health care, health care and health care.


Kristen- DeMolay said "if". I think you missread him.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby Blacksmith » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 01:40:11

Now I read the article to, and I saw a may but no if.

Seems like the Post Office invested their employees retirement funds and are in a shortfall situation as we all are.

Raise the cost of a stamp $0.10USD can you say UPS.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby timmac » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 03:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')his is historic shit here. The US Postal Service paying employees with IOU's? And nobody can even whisper DEPRESSION the likes of we have never seen. Can you say Zimbabwe.



Keep your shirt on, the article said they were short on funds for the retirement fund, not current working employees, we will still be getting mail, yes its the 1st for the USPS but look how big the retirement and health care cost is today compared to how little it was in the 30's.

Government won't stop paying the postal workers no matter how bad it gets, it's the retirees that will get shorted as we keep going down the rat hole.



Quoted in article ;
The presidents of the American Postal Workers Union, National Rural Letter Carriers' Association, National Association of Letter Carriers and National Postal Mailhandlers Union co-signed the Tuesday letter to White House Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina, warning that the U.S. Postal Service is at risk of defaulting on a $5.4 billion payment to prefund retiree health benefits at the end of September.

"That's not something that's been discussed at all," she said. "We are committed to making payroll."
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby Sixstrings » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 05:03:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'L')ook Kristen, I am Flabbergasted by this news. It is unprecedented in the history of the USA. I live in Canada, and if Ottawa said that we can't pay our CanadaPost workers, it would mean that no other level of government was going to get paid either. It would scare the living shit out of me. It would mean that Canada as a nation could no longer afford core service of the most basic kind. And hand out IOU's. Come on it is OVER.


Well, the difference though is that in the US the postal service was privatized (as in no more government subsidies). And in America, the only private enterprise we bail out is Goldman Sachs.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby dorlomin » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 09:53:45

America is becoming like the UK was in the 70s and for some of the same reasons. Budget shortfalls across all levels of government and a collapse of industry that becomes self sustaining. The difference is that the world economy was able to get motoring on again in the 80s and the UK was able to raise cash by mass privitisations and north sea oil while its deregulation of the financial industry was able to create both a legitimate industry and a bubble that eventualy popped.

There is a way for America to re-industrialise but no one dares contemplate that yet.... trade barriers.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby billbrasky2 » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 17:05:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'A')merica is becoming like the UK was in the 70s and for some of the same reasons. Budget shortfalls across all levels of government and a collapse of industry that becomes self sustaining. The difference is that the world economy was able to get motoring on again in the 80s and the UK was able to raise cash by mass privitisations and north sea oil while its deregulation of the financial industry was able to create both a legitimate industry and a bubble that eventualy popped.

There is a way for America to re-industrialise but no one dares contemplate that yet.... trade barriers.


Hell,yes. Re-industrialise. GNP= gross national PRODUCT.It isn't "gross national services".
The "service economy" ( remember that one?) is a sham.
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Re: US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

Postby Denny » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 23:08:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Well, the difference though is that in the US the postal service was privatized (as in no more government subsidies). And in America, the only private enterprise we bail out is Goldman Sachs.


Actually, in Canada, the postal service is now operated by a government owned corporation (Canada Post Corporation). Though one can think its still a part of the government, under the law it has to pay its own way.

And, it has actually run at a profit for 13 years solid now, but last year was pretty slim, just $90 million profit on over $6 billion in revenues. But, Canadians also pay more than Americans for a stamp, its 54 cents (Canadian) which works out to 48 cents U.S.

See http://www.canadapost.ca/corporate/about/annual_report/fin_and_oper_highlighs-e.shtml
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US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby deMolay » Tue 04 Aug 2009, 14:45:47

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Re: US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby lowem » Tue 04 Aug 2009, 17:21:45

See also :

1. US Postal Service to layoff workers first time in history
2. US Postal Service May Issue IOU's

In related news, the US Postal Service is apparently in quite a bit of trouble ...
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Re: US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby Novus » Tue 04 Aug 2009, 18:36:38

Do we even need a Post Office in this day and age. I can't even remember the last time I was at the post office.
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Re: US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby lowem » Tue 04 Aug 2009, 18:50:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'D')o we even need a Post Office in this day and age. I can't even remember the last time I was at the post office.


Over here in Singapore, the Post Office has evolved into a multi-role counter. I just paid my road tax there. Doesn't mean I really need to, with all the cheque, inter-bank and other payment options, but it's a 2-minute walk for me, so.

You could pay your utility, telco and credit card bills, drop off your Thinkpad laptop for service, borrow money, remit money (popular with foreign workers) - whole lot more listed here, something like 30-40 services. And yeah, you could send parcels and buy stamps too. As you can see they've been trying pretty hard to stay relevant.
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Re: US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby kpeavey » Tue 04 Aug 2009, 22:25:44

The Fultonville, NY post office is about 1/2 mile from the brand new Fonda, NY post office. Population of Fultonville: 710 in 2000. Population of Fonda: 810 in 2000. They are on the same road. Another 5 miles north is the Johnstown post office.
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Re: US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby jdmartin » Tue 04 Aug 2009, 23:11:12

I've been trying almost 2 days to open that site, unsuccessfully. Must be all kinds of people overloading it...
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Re: US Postal Service Could Close 700 Branches

Postby lowem » Wed 05 Aug 2009, 10:24:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'I')'ve been trying almost 2 days to open that site, unsuccessfully. Must be all kinds of people overloading it...


It seems to work for me. You can also try the Google cache version.
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US Postal Service Warns It Could Default

Postby timmac » Wed 10 Aug 2011, 00:13:47

Why don't the postal general just change things, what is he a Democrat, what next bail them out to, how bout stop Saturday service now and maybe go to a 4 day a week service as well, pull your head out of the sand postal general, its not that hard, lay off, cut, cut and cut..


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he US Postal Service warned on Friday that it could default on payments it owes the federal government, just days after the US government itself narrowly averted a default.

The government’s mail service said it lost $3.1 billion in the period from April to June, blaming “the anemic state of the economy” and the growing popularity of electronic communications over old-fashioned letters.

As a result of its mounting losses, the US Postal Service said it would not be able to make a legally required $5.5 billion payment in September to a health-benefits trust fund.


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Re: US Postal Service Warns It Could Default

Postby careinke » Wed 10 Aug 2011, 00:56:58

With the net, UPS, FEDEX, etc. It is time to consider eliminating the post office. If it can't turn a profit, yet commercial companies can, why keep it around? Of course my Netflix subscription might go up. :(
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