[deMolay]

Oilfinder my little Cornupicus I like you, you have a sense of humour. A rare thing with Cornies and Hopey/Changey/Thingey's. But I still have to say. "Now I would never call you a liar. But you do seem to have a knack for telling the truth to suit your own purpose."

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'O')ilfinder my little Cornupicus I like you, you have a sense of humour. A rare thing with Cornies and Hopey/Changey/Thingey's. But I still have to say. "Now I would never call you a liar. But you do seem to have a knack for telling the truth to suit your own purpose."

[DantesPeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]DantesPeak said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es we could see a drop in new unemployment claims when they are discharged from bankruptcy, but that will only help the monthly unemployment rate a small amount.

I also said elsewhere that we may see a one or two month improvement in unemployment later in the year, bus basically I see monthly unemployment higher at the end of 3 rd quarter (than the 2 nd), and higher still at the end of the 4 th.

[shortonoil]

DantesPeak said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever I put the odds at higher than 50% that we will have a sigificnat or worse dollar and/or bond market crisis in the fourth quarter - which may lead to new unemployment going back to 500,000 or more per month.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', 'Y')ou can believe what you want. If you believe the govt is lying - it's not my job to change your mind. I don't (believe they're lying), I think the statistics they put out are most likely genuine. I'll take them at face value until I have evidence otherwise.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')For another thing, the formula doesn't count people who have either stopped looking or simply had their benefits expire. Under the current formula, our friend cbxer55 will no longer be considered to be unemployed. I think he might disagree with the government's assessment, though.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '
')For another thing, the formula doesn't count people who have either stopped looking or simply had their benefits expire. Under the current formula, our friend cbxer55 will no longer be considered to be unemployed. I think he might disagree with the government's assessment, though.

[kmann]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'B')ut that's OK. You go right ahead believing those government statistics.

[oxj]

Tense information from the World Socialist Web Site:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Alex Lantier
20 July 2009


French workers at several plants slated for closure have threatened to detonate explosive devices at their factories.

At the New Fabris auto supply plant in Châtellerault, an industrial town of 36,000 south of Tours, workers have wired gas canisters to an electrical cable. They are demanding €30,000 in severance payments from auto manufacturers Renault and PSA Peugeot-Citroën, New Fabris’ two main clients. They are threatening to detonate the gas if they do not receive payment by July 31.

[davep]

They have backed down now.

[deMolay]

Is there something wrong with us here at PO. Everyone sees green shoots, and many of us see impending DOOM. I see the descent into chaos and it has just begun. It is like a jigsaw picture without the picture on the front of the box. A surprise jigsaw. We know we are building a jigsaw, but it hasn't developed enough yet for us all to see the whole picture.

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')And in Canada, at 10% unemployment, we've just begun.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')And in Canada, at 10% unemployment, we've just begun.

[deMolay]

10% is very conservative. On every street in Alberta in my area at least 2-3 per street are laid off or fired.

[deMolay]

Detroit jobless rate officially over 17% now. http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/29/news/ec ... 2009072910

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') would put it conservatively at 10%, factoring in underemployment.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') would put it conservatively at 10%, factoring in underemployment.

[Maddog78]

You didn't say conservatively in your first post using 10%.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hreadbear wrote:
And in Canada, at 10% unemployment, we've just begun.

[lowem]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'Y')ou didn't say conservatively in your first post using 10%.

[Maddog78]

I'm not sure about the equivalents to U.S. stats.
I got the 8.6% from Statistics Canada.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/subjects-sujets/labour-travail/lfs-epa/lfs-epa-eng.htm


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')mployment was little changed in June, leaving total net losses during the last three months at 13,000, much smaller than the 273,000 decline in the first three months of the year. The unemployment rate edged up 0.2 percentage points to 8.6% in June, as more people looked for work.