I don't get laughed at by my parents; they just are of the ostrich mindset and don't want to hear it.
I warned them in 2007 about the stockmarket & how I was putting my 401k into money market and out of stocks, and how they should do something similar. Now they bitch about losing 30 or 40% of the retirement.
I've come to the conclusion that post-peak I will need to look after my own self, wife & kids first.
Basically when I'm in Noah's Ark and have already warned people about the coming Flood, they shouldn't expect me to dive into the rising water to rescue them.
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Do any of you get laughed my your family for being negative?
Re: Do any of you get laughed my your family for being negative?
by rangerone314 » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 09:13:05
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
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Re: Do any of you get laughed my your family for being negative?
by ian807 » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 11:23:47
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I') can tell you didn't spend much time at that site since most of this stuff was adressed there.
Yes, it's "addressed" I suppose if you mean that someone came up with some sort of rebuttal. Rebuttals are easy, after all.
And you miss the point. Peak oil isn't about energy so much. It's about a failure of people.
Rome didn't have to fall. They could have consolidated their power more locally and kept out the Barbarians, Visigoths, et. al. The Mayans could have taken better care of their resources or switched food supplies to avoid salt contamination of their fields. The Haitians could have practiced soil conservation and not destroyed the ecology of their island.
The list goes on. Civilizations don't have to fall. There's no lack of solutions to their problems. We don't lack them either.
Will we implement them in time?
Petroleum is very tightly bound to one aspect of our civilization/system. Transportation. There are substitutes which require changing the world's infrastructure and transportation system which is really easy if you say it fast enough. If we don't do that soon, however, the "just-in-time" system of distribution fails. We can recover from this, slowly. The problem is, if it takes a few years to recover, there's no external food supplies to a lot of people for a few years. The consequences could be somewhat unpleasant.
So I'm not afraid of peak oil or peak energy so much as "peak stupidity" happily promulgated by optimistic politicians - the same ones who tell us that good economic times are just around the corner. Good luck with that, by the way.
FYI, my previous statements on decline are based on the assessment of oilfield engineers like this gentleman, for example:
http://www.oilfield.com/forcast.html
http://www.utoledo.edu/as/envsciences/p ... ter-08.pdf
I'd read both of these.
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Re: Do any of you get laughed my your family for being negative?
by Jotapay » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 11:52:16
My family thinks there is a lot of merit in what I tell them. Many of them are prepping now.
My old friends all think I'm nuts though. But I have met more neighbors recently who do think we should prepare and I've been hanging out with them more now.
My old friends all think I'm nuts though. But I have met more neighbors recently who do think we should prepare and I've been hanging out with them more now.
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Re: Do any of you get laughed my your family for being negative?
by rangerone314 » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 12:01:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'I') can tell you didn't spend much time at that site since most of this stuff was adressed there.
Yes, it's "addressed" I suppose if you mean that someone came up with some sort of rebuttal. Rebuttals are easy, after all.
And you miss the point. Peak oil isn't about energy so much. It's about a failure of people.
Rome didn't have to fall. They could have consolidated their power more locally and kept out the Barbarians, Visigoths, et. al. The Mayans could have taken better care of their resources or switched food supplies to avoid salt contamination of their fields. The Haitians could have practiced soil conservation and not destroyed the ecology of their island.
The list goes on. Civilizations don't have to fall. There's no lack of solutions to their problems. We don't lack them either.
Will we implement them in time?
So I'm not afraid of peak oil or peak energy so much as "peak stupidity" happily promulgated by optimistic politicians - the same ones who tell us that good economic times are just around the corner. Good luck with that, by the way.
+1
All societies have built-in flaws in their culture and political systems that eventually run into a situation that they are too inflexible to deal with.
I lost all hope (not that I had much left anyway) when Obama focused his efforts on health care. Before any problem is tacked, the political system needs to be overhauled. There isn't a point in attempting to do ANYTHING until THAT is fixed. It is like trying to drive a firetruck with hoses with holes, flat tires, and a broken ladder to a fire scene--the most you can do is look pretty. Politicians don't take our money to fix the firetruck, they give it to their friends... if we are lucky the firetruck gets a wax job.
Our political system is corrupt, terminally ill and unable to function... it now lacks the capability to self-regulate and self-heal. It is unable to do what needs to be done. This is the hallmark of a culture that is waiting to die. (Sort of like an immuno-comprimised person is one opportunistic infection away from dying)
Peak oil could well be that opportunistic disease... if not peak oil, there are many things waiting in the wings.
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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