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IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 11:10:33

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') detailed, functional artificial human brain can be built within the next 10 years, a leading scientist has claimed.

Henry Markram, director of IBM's Blue Brain Project, has already simulated elements of a rat brain.

He told the TED Global conference in Oxford that a synthetic human brain would be of particular use finding treatments for mental illnesses.

Around two billion people are thought to suffer some kind of brain impairment, he said.

"It is not impossible to build a human brain and we can do it in 10 years," he said.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ver the last 15 years, Professor Markram and his team have picked apart the structure of the neocortical column.

"It's a bit like going and cataloguing a bit of the rainforest - how may trees does it have, what shape are the trees, how many of each type of tree do we have, what is the position of the trees," he said.

"But it is a bit more than cataloguing because you have to describe and discover all the rules of communication, the rules of connectivity."

The project now has a software model of "tens of thousands" of neurons - each one of which is different - which has allowed them to digitally construct an artificial neocortical column.

Although each neuron is unique, the team has found the patterns of circuitry in different brains have common patterns.


Man, if we see the advent of an artificial brain in 10 years time, that means the Singularity will have arrived. That genie will be forever out of the bottle.

I, for one, welcome our machine-intelligent overlords.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 12:10:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Modeling Neurons

Neurons are not all alike - they come in a variety of complex shapes. The precise shape and structure of a neuron influences its electrical properties and connectivity with other neurons. A neuron's electrical properties are determined to a large extent by a variety of ion channels distributed in varying densities throughout the cell's membrane. Scientists have been collecting data on neuron morphology and electrical behavior of the juvenile rat in the laboratory for many years, and this data is used as the basis for a model that is run on the Blue Gene to recreate each of the 10,000 neurons in the NCC.



Modeling connections


To model the neocortical column, it is essential to understand the composition, density and distribution of the numerous cortical cell types. Each class of cells is present in specific layers of the column. The precise density of each cell type and the volume of the space it occupies provides essential information for cell positioning and constructing the foundation of the cortical circuit. Each neuron is connected to thousands of its neighbors at points where their dendrites or axons touch, known as synapses. In a column with 10,000 neurons, this translates into trillions of possible connections. The Blue Gene is used in this extremely computationally intensive calculation to fix the synapse locations, "jiggling" individual neurons in 3D space to find the optimal connection scenario.


Modeling the column

The result of all these calculations is a re-creation, at the cellular level, of the neocortical column, the basic microcircuit of the brain. In this case, it's the cortical column of a juvenile rat. This is the only biologically accurate replica to date of the NCC - the neurons are biologically realistic and their connectivity is optimized. This would be impossible without the huge computational capacity of the Blue Gene. A model of the NCC was completed at the end of 2006.

In November, 2007, The Blue Brain Project officially announced the conclusion of Phase I of the project, with three specific acheivements:

1. A new modeling framework for automatic, on-demand construction of neural circuits built from biological data

2. A new simulation and calibration process that automatically and systematically analyzes the biological accuracy and consistency of each revision of the model

3. The first cellular-level neocortical column model built entirely from biological data that can now serve as a key tool for simulation-based research


I think this is the coolest thing happening on the planet.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 12:12:54

Cool post Carlhole, thanks
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby RdSnt » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 12:15:17

And here's what's going to make it possible.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... gence.html
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 12:53:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')o to those who would ask "what does this have to do with peak oil" I have this sagely...


Not "sagely". Foolishly.

(The most correct, terse reply is: "This is the open forum.")
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 13:14:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e told the TED Global conference in Oxford that a synthetic human brain would be of particular use finding treatments for mental illnesses.


This fooker is nutz.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 13:18:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e told the TED Global conference in Oxford that a synthetic human brain would be of particular use finding treatments for mental illnesses.


This fooker is nutz.



....said the guy loading his basement with Ak-47's.....

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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 13:27:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'B')ut still. We have this problem here on earth called "the peak oil problem" and there are a lucky few with the brains, insight, overview and imagination to deal with it in novel and/or technical fashion...


Go bother some other poster of peripheral or off-topics of general interest in the Open Forum then. Should find plenty of them. It's been that way for years.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 13:37:59

Whhhheeeeeeeeee!

Skynet, anyone?
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby ian807 » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 13:41:23

I just think 10 years is probably too close. 15 maybe. 20 years more likely. If I remember correctly, they're simulating actual neuron behavior, not just some abstract concept of a neuron. The IBM simulations are very resource intensive.

And of course, it depends on the degree of social collapse. That could slow things down a bit.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Hoops_Mckann » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 13:42:44

Would these brains be utilized in the 2019 model fembots by chance?
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 14:12:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e told the TED Global conference in Oxford that a synthetic human brain would be of particular use finding treatments for mental illnesses.


This fooker is nutz.



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Don't own one. Just a sks. :lol:
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 14:14:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hoops_Mckann', 'W')ould these brains be utilized in the 2019 model fembots by chance?


No "chance" involved. It's virtually guaranteed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', 'E')xperiments are not 'a reality soon', they are just experiments ...Peak-oil comes a lot faster than QC, that's for sure... actually PO is here.


PO may be here or near, but a true Singularitarian would reply, "Any such energy crisis, or even die-off, will only speed our trajectory towards a "singularity".

The groupthink around here has always dictated that our industrial society cannot/will not adapt and that there is nothing left to discover, and that scientific exploration, advanced R&D is a terrible waste of resources.

But you don't have to stultify your mind with groupthink. The fact is: no one can divine the future. And those past social/political/ideological movements which have made rigid prognostications about the future have been wrong virtually every time. It's always been amusing for people to read what folks of yore thought would occur in the near future.

Oops, I forgot..."THIS time is different!", you say.

Let me tell you something, Life on Planet Earth will morph successfully into whatever it figures will allow it to grow. Humanity's huge technological accomplishments and huge hump of population and infrastructure will yield unto something entirely new eventually. Trying to guess at what that new thing will ultimately be is a fool's errand.

But since I'm a fool when it comes to the future, I predict that population will decline -- it could be slow, it could be a sudden drop due to deliberately engineered bugs or whatnot -- but increasing machine intelligence, planetary grid intelligence and aspects of transhumanism are trends that will not diminish under even war-like conditions of society. Even without any resource crisis, billions of ordinary people are going to be totally redundant.

During crises, people tend to band together tightly. They live more socialistically. And they create grand visions based on what is truly worth achieving. In such a zeitgeist, it becomes the dream of every individual to contribute whatever he/she possibly can to the broad society. This is the kind of adaptation that energy shortages, resource costs and overpopulation would begin to create.


The knee-jerk assumption that you need a monstrous consumer society in order to engage in science or technical development is nonsense in an age of machine intelligence - where intellectual horsepower may be concentrated for specific purposes. To suggest that a rapid plummet to subsistence levels without any broad societal adaptation is just a fantasy.

The tone of this board is so stultifyingly Luddite - as if it wants everyone else to remain dead ignorant of some of the other major trends occurring alongside population growth, resource depletion/cost increases, geopolitical strife, etc.

However, there is an ongoing explosion of scientific exploration into completely new areas - namely quantum mechanics and applications. How can you completely ignore stupendous efforts like CERN or hugely interesting projects like Blue Brain? It's like the mindset actively resents anyone's interest in areas outside the doomer notions of Peak Oil Orthodoxy.

GE has been talking about developing a Smart Grid and politicians have talked about the importance of competing with the Chinese on the development of renewable energies. And so it is worthwhile for anyone with an interest in energy to read about the possibilities inherent in other areas of science.

Rather hear about numerology or something?
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby BleakToil » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 15:28:13

ITER and DEMO come to mind. Ground has been broken on ITER this year. A positive EROEI on thermal fusion power will change everything. Space exploration could be profitable. Energy could be virtually free. One can cling to hope.....
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 17:17:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BleakToil', 'I')TER and DEMO come to mind. Ground has been broken on ITER this year. A positive EROEI on thermal fusion power will change everything. Space exploration could be profitable. Energy could be virtually free. One can cling to hope.....


It's not so much clinging to hope as it is interest in what is obviously a scientific/technological explosion that is occurring simultaneously with growing awareness of serious overpopulation, environmental degradation and resource depletion, geopolitical struggles over resources, etc. The two trends are seeminly counter-poised -- so that makes it interesting.

The doomers on the board would have you believe that there has been or soon will be a precipitous drop in our ability to continue doing scientific and technological research. Doomer orthodoxy insists that the Olduvai Gorge is just around the next bend. But there is absolutely ZERO sign that this is happening! There is every indication that the rate of technological development is accelerating.

Some of us here take peak oil seriously yet believe that energy constraints will unleash innovation and adaptations as never before. Such a period of rapid innovation/adaptation does not necessarily preclude wrenching, violent changes or population declines over the decades ahead.

Doomer Orthodoxy seeks to quash this line of thinking. But usually the dumbasses that join in the argument against it pretty much show themselves as ignoramuses who just happen to be in love with the doomer fantasy. Even Richard Heinberg will tell you that his efforts to alert the world about the advent of peak oil are because he wishes to avert the worst of its prospects. What? Avoid peak oil? That's anti-doomer!

If the Simmons or Heinbergs of the world actually believed that the Olduvai Gorge scenario was a dead-certainty and would occur in the near future, there would be no reason for Cassandras such as they to voice any warnings or suggest any recommendations to a world which wants to adjust responsibly to resource and environmental constraints.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Arthur75 » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 18:56:50

Total bullshit, these "scientists" are vulgar losers, and blind, what the technology being written represents is much more impressive than that
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Narz » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 19:38:25

Cool, how much for my personal Jesus? Someone to hear my prayers, someone who's there. I'd like to pre-order.
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Re: IBM: Artificial brain '10 years away'

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 20:14:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'C')ool, how much for my personal Jesus? Someone to hear my prayers, someone who's there. I'd like to pre-order.


Will that be a gay or straight jesus, sir?
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