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Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 08:44:13

I think we need a thread to track alarmist doomer predictions and hold them accountable for them, feel free to add, ill get us started with a couple:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exico wont survive in its present form for more than I'd say about a year from the time they cease to be an Oil Exporting nation. - Airline Pilot


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hen oil again briefly hits $150 again the internet will shut down for lack of income
-pstarr


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')herefore this news is doubly bad for the dollar - the Fed selling dollars and at the same time issuing new dollars. The relative stability in the dollar is only an illusion that will be shattered before early fall. -DantesPeak


Feel free to add more!
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby outcast » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 08:52:55

Whenever possible be sure to include date of prediction (when referring to something more general such as "XXXX will happen next year")


Here's my contribution:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile I had serious doubts about America's ability to recover from Katrina, I am certain that - barring divine intervention - the United States is finished; not only as a superpower, but possibly even as a single, unified nation with the arrival of Hurricane Rita.
-- Mike Ruppert, September 21, 2005



Oh yeah, and the "prophets" are fair game too.
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby FireJack » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 09:18:57

Ah some days I wish I could be like theantidoomer and just ignore all peak oil, resource depletion, overpopulation, potable water shortages, and major economic problems and say "technology will solve them all" and be a general asshole about it.

I don't know why people feel the need to make predictions. Things will get worse, and keep getting worse, no need for specifics.
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby endtimes » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 10:40:12

prediction,.theantidoomer is doomed.
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 10:42:35

"Subprime is Contained"

Paulson, 1 August 2007
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby outcast » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 11:06:09

Good one, here's another:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's going to go higher, maybe way higher. It's not going to collapse. It's not a bubble, not a temporary energy spike. - Matthew Simmons right before the oil price crashed down to ~$60
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby Pops » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 11:42:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('In my first post here: Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:30 pm, I', ' ')I don’t believe there will be an oil “crash” soon, but there certainly could be an economic crash as the cost of oil and virtually everything else begins its inevitable rise. That is the wild card; how long do we have to prepare before the cost of preparing is out of reach or the necessities unavailable?


http://peakoil.com/post28.html#p28

Notice that's post number 28 at PO.com, the game players and scorekeepers came later...
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 22:45:14

Here's a classic one for backwards reasoning.

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'M')y original prediction for 2008 was a high of $146, about the price now.

Based upon the likely collpase of the two main mortgage companies in the US, Fannie and Freddie, and the subsequent fiscal and monetary fallout, there is no longer any practical limit to just how high the price can go.

Silly doomers! If the economy collapses the price of oil is also going to collapse, not go to the moon! :lol:
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 23:02:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'H')ere's a classic one for backwards reasoning.

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'M')y original prediction for 2008 was a high of $146, about the price now.

Based upon the likely collpase of the two main mortgage companies in the US, Fannie and Freddie, and the subsequent fiscal and monetary fallout, there is no longer any practical limit to just how high the price can go.

Silly doomers! If the economy collapses the price of oil is also going to collapse, not go to the moon! :lol:


Hey I guess you and the doomer knew at the start of 2008 would rise to $146 and then fall back. Great call, but what exactly were your predictions for 2008?

BTW - Why do cornucopians always seem more concerned with mocking others than making their own predictions, and explaining why?
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 23:27:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'H')ey I guess you and the doomer knew at the start of 2008 would rise to $146 and then fall back. Great call, but what exactly were your predictions for 2008?

If I had tried to make a price prediction at the beginning of last year, I'm not sure what I would have predicted.

Here's one prediction I made in the middle of last year - and I was right:
>>> About 2/3 down the page <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'T')he higher and the faster it rises, the harder it will crash.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'B')TW - Why do cornucopians always seem more concerned with mocking others than making their own predictions, and explaining why?

I think this is one problem with doomers - they make too many predictions, thus setting themselves up to be wrong, and then being ridiculed for it. And the more predictions they make, the more chances they give themselves to be wrong. In the long run this can only hurt their cause, as the large numbers of wrong calls start to add up and people increasingly fail to take them seriously. "Caution" and "restraint" seem to be lacking in many of their modus operandi. They're too eager to proclaim, "Oil production is about to fall off a cliff and the price will go to $300!" when they really have no clue if that's what's going to happen.

It's one thing to say, "Oil production will peak some day." It's entirely another thing to say, "Oil production is going to fall off a cliff real soon and the price is going to the moon!"

But I suppose they deserve credit for their chutzpah. ;)
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby FireJack » Thu 23 Jul 2009, 23:51:32

It is actually quite amusing quoting people like Bernanke on what they have been says the last few years.

March 28th, 2007 – Ben Bernanke: "At this juncture . . . the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained,"

March 28th, 2007 – Ben Bernanke: "At this juncture . . . the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained,"

August 10th, 2008 – Paulson: ``We have no plans to insert money into either of those two institutions.” (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac)

Those guys just keep saying everything is okay now and were going up, all the way down. How you could possibly think we're heading into a techno-utopia at this point is beyond me. I recently made the mistake of watching Barllet http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6A1FD147A45EF50D I mean at this point all I can do is look at what AntiDoomer is claiming and say "that's just sad man."
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Re: Doomer Accountability Thread

Unread postby outcast » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 04:23:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')TW - Why do cornucopians always seem more concerned with mocking others than making their own predictions, and explaining why?


Because doomer predictions are intended to create mass hysteria and pump up the doom hype as much as possible, while using it as a tool to promote their "solutions" (namely turning the clock back a few hundred years).
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