"The men where you live," said the little prince, "raise five thousand roses in thesame garden−− and they do not find in it what they are looking for." "They do not find it," I replied. "And yet what they are looking for could be found in one single rose, or in a little water."
"Yes, that is true," I said. And the little prince added: "But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart..."
Antoine-de-Saint-Exupery-The-Little-Prince
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A Hopi Indian named Sun Chief said:
"I had learned many English words and could recite part of the Ten Commandments. I knew how to sleep on a bed, pray to Jesus, comb my hair, eat with a knife and fork, and use a toilet. ... I had also learned that a person thinks with his head instead of his heart ".
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"When Carl Jung, the great psychoanalyst, went to Taos Peublo in New Mexico in 1925, he met the chief of the native people, Ochwiay Biano. Biano told Jung that according to his people, the Whites were 'mad'-uneasy, restless, always wanting something.
Jung asked him why he thought they were mad, and the chief replied that it was because they thought with their heads, a sure sign of mental illness among his tribe. Jung asked him how he thought and he pointed to his heart. The response plunged Jung into a deep introspection that enabled him to see his race from outside himself and realise how much of the race's character was within him."
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"The Moken, also known as the "sea gypsies", are a nomadic people living off the coasts of Burma and Thailand.
In their language, there is no word for " want."
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I recommend the book " The Continuum Concept ". How many times you use the word "want" when you are with your friends in the middle of nowhere having a barbecue ? Not like "pass me the salt". I mean "want". To "want" more than that. What is there more to "want" than what you already have there ? Want what ? That is how life is for some people and it never ends. No schedule, no bosses, no money, no rules, no clock forever. What more do you want ?
You must be "thinking with your head" to want more.
"Pirates of the Caribbean". A compass that points where your heart desires. Our culture really needs such a compass.
Who remembers "where he was" when he was little ? From where did your thinking originate ? Where did you feel you "were" ? Your head or your hearth ? I remember believing it was my hearth until someone told me...But I am not so sure of this memory. Anyone here remembers ?
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Those who haven't been exposed to the hypocrisies of a "civilized" education react to things naturally, as they happen. It is in the here and now that they are either happy or unhappy, joyful or sad, interested or indifferent. The superiority of pure Indians like these Guajiros was striking. They could outdo us in everything: when they adopted someone, everything they had belonged to him; and when anyone showed them the least attention, they were profoundly moved"
"I was getting used to this life and beginning to realize that if I stayed too much longer I might lose all desire to leave."
Papillon
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As Columbus wrote of the Arawak (before murdering and enslaving them), "They are so ingenuous and free with all they have, that no one would believe it who has not seen it... Of anything they possess, if it be asked of them, they never say no; on the contrary, they invite you to share it and show as much love as if their hearts went with it...
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Thinking with your heart
Thinking with your heart
by paimei01 » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 04:50:13
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One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
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Re: Thinking with your heart
by Fredrik » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 05:53:21
When a surgeon is operating on me, I'd like him to think with his head rather than his heart.
When I'm on an airplane, I'd like the pilot to use his head more than his heart.
When my children are studying mathematics at school, I'd like the teacher to use his head more than his heart.
I'm all for compassion, modesty, love of neighbor. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. For all the shortcomings of civilization, non-emotional long-term planning has also brought us longer life expectancies, literature and high literacy levels, and technological progress like the internet.
Unsustainable economic growth and environmental destruction are not the result of "thinking with your head", meaning rational long-term planning, but rather they're a result of lack of it.
When I'm on an airplane, I'd like the pilot to use his head more than his heart.
When my children are studying mathematics at school, I'd like the teacher to use his head more than his heart.
I'm all for compassion, modesty, love of neighbor. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. For all the shortcomings of civilization, non-emotional long-term planning has also brought us longer life expectancies, literature and high literacy levels, and technological progress like the internet.
Unsustainable economic growth and environmental destruction are not the result of "thinking with your head", meaning rational long-term planning, but rather they're a result of lack of it.
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
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"A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desires." -Pentti Linkola
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Re: Thinking with your heart
by paimei01 » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 06:56:58
Longer lives mean nothing, that is "thinking with your head". We are not machines, life is not only about survival. Why have we been reduced to that ? "Economic growth" should not exist, "economy" the same.
Read "Rays from the Ashes" (don't know the exact title). Children who were left orphans after Hiroshima lived on the streets for a few years. Then they were given shelters, food and school. But they kept running away. They tasted that freedom I have talked about above and could not forget it. No rules, no clocks, no borders, living as free humans, among friends. Few people today have a chance to experience that even for a few years. Or they have all forgotten. Or they believe what they have been told : " to renounce such nonsense, get serious".
The problem for those children : there was no more room for that in this machine world. To live as humans did in North America until 150 years ago. Humans - free and unbroken by education.
http://www.primitivism.com/machine-heads.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e have internalized our masters, which is a well-known psychological response to trauma. When faced with overwhelming terror, the human mind splits, with part of itself modeling itself after the oppressor. This is an act of appeasement: "Look," the mind says in effect, "I am like you, so do not harm me." As a result of the civilizing process, together with this psychological defense mechanism known as "identification with the aggressor", we now hear the alien voices of the various representatives of civilization in our heads. Because of these alien ego-identifications we no longer hear our own tribal/primal voice.
Read "Rays from the Ashes" (don't know the exact title). Children who were left orphans after Hiroshima lived on the streets for a few years. Then they were given shelters, food and school. But they kept running away. They tasted that freedom I have talked about above and could not forget it. No rules, no clocks, no borders, living as free humans, among friends. Few people today have a chance to experience that even for a few years. Or they have all forgotten. Or they believe what they have been told : " to renounce such nonsense, get serious".
The problem for those children : there was no more room for that in this machine world. To live as humans did in North America until 150 years ago. Humans - free and unbroken by education.
http://www.primitivism.com/machine-heads.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e have internalized our masters, which is a well-known psychological response to trauma. When faced with overwhelming terror, the human mind splits, with part of itself modeling itself after the oppressor. This is an act of appeasement: "Look," the mind says in effect, "I am like you, so do not harm me." As a result of the civilizing process, together with this psychological defense mechanism known as "identification with the aggressor", we now hear the alien voices of the various representatives of civilization in our heads. Because of these alien ego-identifications we no longer hear our own tribal/primal voice.
http://paimei01.blogspot.com/
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
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Re: Thinking with your heart
by Fredrik » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 07:10:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'L')onger lives mean nothing, that is "thinking with your head". We are not machines, life is not only about survival. Why have we been reduced to that ? "Economic growth" should not exist, "economy" the same.
Of course life is more than survival, but the longer you survive the longer you can enjoy life. I'm quite certain that the vast majority of people (even neoprimitivists) gladly accept every extra year of life that scientific progress offers them. (But I certainly have respect those who choose otherwise and accept an early death for their conviction.)
I agree that economic growth must stop at natural limits, but some sort of "economy" is necessary if you want to sustain civilization, which you need if you want to sustain its benefits like technology, advanced medicine, education etc.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'R')ead "Rays from the Ashes" (don't know the exact title). Children who were left orphans after Hiroshima lived on the streets for a few years. Then they were given shelters, food and school. But they kept running away. They tasted that freedom I have talked about above and could not forget it. No rules, no clocks, no borders, living as free humans, among friends. Few people today have a chance to experience that even for a few years. Or they have all forgotten. Or they believe what they have been told : " to renounce such nonsense".
The problem for those children : there was no more room for that in this machine world. To live as humans did in North America until 150 years ago. Humans - free and unbroken by education naturally form "tribes".
I think people should have the freedom to live outside the system if they want. Some may enjoy it but hardly the most. (The majority of hippies who tried to break away from the society in the sixties came back after a few years.)
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Re: Thinking with your heart
by Tanada » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 07:14:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'L')onger lives mean nothing, that is "thinking with your head". We are not machines, life is not only about survival. Why have we been reduced to that ? "Economic growth" should not exist, "economy" the same.
Read "Rays from the Ashes" (don't know the exact title). Children who were left orphans after Hiroshima lived on the streets for a few years. Then they were given shelters, food and school. But they kept running away. They tasted that freedom I have talked about above and could not forget it. No rules, no clocks, no borders, living as free humans, among friends. Few people today have a chance to experience that even for a few years. Or they have all forgotten. Or they believe what they have been told : " to renounce such nonsense, get serious".
The problem for those children : there was no more room for that in this machine world. To live as humans did in North America until 150 years ago. Humans - free and unbroken by education.
http://www.primitivism.com/machine-heads.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e have internalized our masters, which is a well-known psychological response to trauma. When faced with overwhelming terror, the human mind splits, with part of itself modeling itself after the oppressor. This is an act of appeasement: "Look," the mind says in effect, "I am like you, so do not harm me." As a result of the civilizing process, together with this psychological defense mechanism known as "identification with the aggressor", we now hear the alien voices of the various representatives of civilization in our heads. Because of these alien ego-identifications we no longer hear our own tribal/primal voice.
Read "Rays from the Ashes" (don't know the exact title). Children who were left orphans after Hiroshima lived on the streets for a few years. Then they were given shelters, food and school. But they kept running away. They tasted that freedom I have talked about above and could not forget it. No rules, no clocks, no borders, living as free humans, among friends. Few people today have a chance to experience that even for a few years. Or they have all forgotten. Or they believe what they have been told : " to renounce such nonsense, get serious".
The problem for those children : there was no more room for that in this machine world. To live as humans did in North America until 150 years ago. Humans - free and unbroken by education.
http://www.primitivism.com/machine-heads.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e have internalized our masters, which is a well-known psychological response to trauma. When faced with overwhelming terror, the human mind splits, with part of itself modeling itself after the oppressor. This is an act of appeasement: "Look," the mind says in effect, "I am like you, so do not harm me." As a result of the civilizing process, together with this psychological defense mechanism known as "identification with the aggressor", we now hear the alien voices of the various representatives of civilization in our heads. Because of these alien ego-identifications we no longer hear our own tribal/primal voice.
I understand where you are coming from, growing up I spent my summers from early in the day until dusk running around in the woods with my best friend, unless I was corralled by my parents to get farm chores done first. Once the school year was done there was no need to look at the clock unless you had plans to do something specifically time oriented like watch Walt Disney Movie of the Week at 7 on Sunday evening. It is funny but looking back at my youth that and Star Trek (The Original) at 6 PM on Saturday are the only show times that I remember.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alfred Tennyson', 'W')e are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
