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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 12:50:45

Materialism & greed.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby outcast » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 21:58:25

With the exception of Cambodia communism was never about achieving some kind of ecological balance, it was intended as another method to industrialize a nation (though mostly unsuccessful).
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby timmac » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 00:34:05

Socialism as defined by Webster’s Dictionary.

Main Entry: so·cial·ism - Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Communism as defined by Webster’s Dictionary.

Main Entry: com·mu·nism - Function: noun
1 a: a theory advocating elimination of private property b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

2capitalized a: a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 00:47:08

Recently a British study confirmed what many of us have known anecdotally for years. Productivity declines of 75 to 80% are the norm where management techniques are punitive rather than reward based.
I haven't the exact paper I was looking for if I find it I will add.

http://www.drrobertbrooks.com/pdf/0901.pdf

Just an example above.

The only way communism can work is if humans can be modified to lack ambition. However it is ambition which drives our core; without it we would be non productive zombies doing as little as possible in order to survive.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 01:40:21

I agree that most are sold the idea of success being more - (money, food, goods, relationships) but it needn't be there are other drivers.

There's more to life than money.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 04:01:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I') agree that most are sold the idea of success being more - (money, food, goods, relationships) but it needn't be there are other drivers.

There's more to life than money.


family and relationships too? What is it , exactly. Aside of back-breaking labour and smell of your 50 roommates who didnt take shower in years, of course. What is it?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 04:54:25

What is what?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 06:15:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')hat is what?


you got it bad huh? You said there is more to life than money, food, goods, relationships. So what is it. What leftist whackjobs could provide us with that can't be had without them.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 06:18:33

Enough is enough.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Vogelzang » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 14:42:09

The leftist wackjobs are the first to be layed off. Maybe they can't afford to pay for an ISP.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 23:10:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'R')ecently a British study confirmed what many of us have known anecdotally for years. Productivity declines of 75 to 80% are the norm where management techniques are punitive rather than reward based.
I haven't the exact paper I was looking for if I find it I will add.

http://www.drrobertbrooks.com/pdf/0901.pdf

Just an example above.

The only way communism can work is if humans can be modified to lack ambition. However it is ambition which drives our core; without it we would be non productive zombies doing as little as possible in order to survive.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')on productive zombies doing as little as possible in order to survive.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 00:22:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I') agree that most are sold the idea of success being more - (money, food, goods, relationships) but it needn't be there are other drivers.

There's more to life than money.


family and relationships too? What is it , exactly. Aside of back-breaking labour and smell of your 50 roommates who didnt take shower in years, of course. What is it?



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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 12:51:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'b')tw this thread is pretty sorry for 4 views a post when we used to get a 100 views per post.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................moved back to open from HOF. And how many views are we up to now???

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Tue 21 Jul 2009, 13:55:54

Maybe someones still hoping for the critique of Marxist Theory from the right (or anyone). :roll:
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 15:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'M')aybe someones still hoping for the critique of Marxist Theory from the right (or anyone). :roll:
Its teleological.....


It claims it knows the future. It claims to be scientific but defies science as defined by Karl Popper in his famous 'falsifyable' argument.

Marx's analysis of the working conditions of 19th century England, excellent and a worthy addition to the body of economic theory. Marx's predictions of the future: Nostrodamus for middle class blow hards.

Anyone who capitalises the word theory in the phrase "marxist theory" needs to avoid scientologists if they wish to keep their money for themselves.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 21:49:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'M')aybe someones still hoping for the critique of Marxist Theory from the right (or anyone).


Your ignorance about the many famous critiques of Marxism doesn't mean they don't exist.

For instance, try reading Lez Kolakowski's work.....
Kowlakowski's "Main Currents in Marxism" considered one of the best critiques of Marixism

Kowlakowski showed

(1) Marxism has become a secular religion, whose adherents rely on their "faith" in the predictions of Marx. Marxism even includes Marxist fundamentalists, who believe in the inerrancy of Marx's writing, and spend their lives trying to interpret Marx's "holy" books and theories.

and

(2) In practice, the centralization of power inherent in Marxist economics and socialism tends to produce mass-murdering dictators like Stalin.

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 27 Jul 2009, 02:37:05

Yes, of course it does Plants. Everyone knows this.

And representative so-called democracies create war freaks too such as Bush II, Obama, FDR, Churchill, Tony Blair, LBJ, etc.... they have compiled a list of tens of millions killed to maintain profits for a very tiny few.

The point you're making here is pointless.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Mon 27 Jul 2009, 05:25:38

Theirs a tendency to autoritarianism in all leaders - thats why/how they become leaders!

Scientology :roll: Why're there so many religious obsessives on this board?

I don't see Marx as forseeing the future, but I do see diminishing returns and the crisis of capital as pretty damn certainties, so the theories he puts forward deserve looking at seriously.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Nickel » Tue 28 Jul 2009, 11:08:39

Well, the Bush-push is over, all the things we said were going to happen to the US dollar and the housing bubble came to pass... what's left to do, sit around telling the Tories that we told you so? Boring. I just came back to say I told you so. :razz:
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 28 Jul 2009, 15:11:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here have all the leftist whackjobs gone?


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