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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 17:58:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')hoa - All I'm asking for is someone to address the issue that was raised a few pages back. Doesn't seem theirs anyone up to it. Where was Marx wrong? BTW Tanada that genies not going back in the bottle. Those monarchs/despots will be first against the wall!
You do not understand the forces of human nature that make history what it is. If every Royal on the planet dropped dead today it would not matter, 100 years after PO there will be many more Monarchies on this planet than any other form of governance.

100 years after PO, any system that purports to secure a disproportionate share of the deeply compromised planetary resource base will be violently suppressed, including land centric feudal systems.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 18:50:45

A little socialist humor...........................
A socialist, a capitalist and a communist agreed to meet.
The socialist was late. "Excuse me for being late, I was standing in a queue for sausages."
"And what is a queue?" the capitalist asked.
"And what is a sausage?" the communist asked.

The seven miracles of the Communism:
1. There is no unemployment, yet nobody works.
2. Nobody works, yet the Grand Scheme is carried out.
3. The Grand Scheme is carried out, yet there is nothing to buy.
4. There is nothing to buy, yet there are lineups everywhere.
5. There are lineups everywhere, yet everyone has everything.
6. Everyone has everything yet everyone is dissatisfied.
7. Everyone is dissatisfied, yet everyone votes 'Yes'.

Q: What does a communist optimist say?
A: It can't get any worse!

Q: What is an exchange of opinions at a Communist Party meeting?
A: I come to the meeting with my opinions and leave with their's.

Q: Is it true that Marxism-Leninism is scientific?
A: No, surely not. If it were, they would have tested it on animals first.'
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 19:00:28

You don't understand the forces of human nature that make history what it is - in the past.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'Y')ou do not understand the forces of human nature that make history what it is. If every Royal on the planet dropped dead today it would not matter, 100 years after PO there will be many more Monarchies on this planet than any other form of governance.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 19:27:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'Y')ou don't understand the forces of human nature that make history what it is - in the past.

Marx's biggest problem was he did not believe humans would keep acting like humans have always acted. He was mistaken.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 19:36:46

In what way did he say that humans would change the way they act?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Bas » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 19:46:08

with such a title, why isn't it in the hall of flames?


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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Bas » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 19:54:02

btw this thread is pretty sorry for 4 views a post when we used to get a 100 views per post.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 20:47:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'Y')ou don't understand the forces of human nature that make history what it is - in the past.

Marx's biggest problem was he did not believe humans would keep acting like humans have always acted. He was mistaken.


Marx point was rather simple when one grasps his analysis. Essentially its this:

Human consciousness is a function of the material.

For example, if the material context tends towards sustaining accumulation (by the conversion of surpluses in labour and commodities), whether it be land as in the feudal or intangibles in capital, then the human is so defined and formed, becoming essentially the effect of that primary cause, feudal man and then the capitalist, a wave like process. In other words, all the mechanisms that we take for granted such as the rules, regulations, hierarchies, value systems and infrastructure unfold within this cause and effect LOOP in progessive waves.

However, where the material context is constrained by these what were previously ample externalities, as in peak resourcing, more specifically peak oil, the impulse to equilibrium arises naturally, in effect, giving rise to another dynamic LOOP with its own wave forms, one that sets off a whole series of transactions that reflect the causality of material limits.

Within those transactions, we get wars and such like of course as the human tests the limts of the loop, but ultimately each attempted breach of the loop meets with the first cause and is this compelled to comply with its overall dynamic. Thus what we see in this more aggressive capitalism of today is the unfinished impulse wave of capital which has yet to meet its ultimate limit, resourcing.

Within that overall process, evolves the human of each epoch. As I've said, this is an objective process and drives the human state. We of course, are within the process and are buffeted along by it, unaware of the external forces that shape us.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby outcast » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 04:35:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'A')merican Dream yearns to be a party boss and keep the proletariat under his thumb cause like most misguided delusional liberals he "thinks" he knows best.

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Excellent! It's really easy to see which nation is managing to get by using far, far less energy. In a few years, decades, perhaps, the southern portion of that peninsula will be shining just like the north. That's conservation preparedness! Another reason capitalism is failing. It inherently squanders WAYYY too much energy. Gluttonous, in fact. :)



Capitalism isn't failing, recessions have always been part of the cycle.

But really, saying fraking North Korea is the model we should follow? You have seen video footage and/or pictures of the malnutrition, the economic deadlock, and widespread poverty, right?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here was Marx wrong?


He advocated for a central bank IIRC.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')magine how peak oil will ravage all of us.


Like a lot of "imminent shortage of (insert resource here)" predictions that have come and gone, little to none.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen it gets underway and really rolling along do you really want a system based and predicated upon permanent economic growth to manage the harsh decline?

A harsh decline based predictions that never happened.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 05:10:01

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You reply as if you have CHOICES! You only have choices to the extent that you remain free to indulge in wastefulness. This entire debate essentially revolves around the fact that you (and by you, I mean your children and grandchildren) will be compelled, by virtue of the choices YOU have made, to eschew the lifestyle that you clearly take for granted.

The individual seldom considers the quality of his or her life until death is imminent and the superficial pursuits that so consumed their lives make way for deep introspective living, invariably of an immanent quality. That about sums up the quality of the transition that humanity as a body will be confronted with at the exhaustion of surplus.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby outcast » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 05:15:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou only have choices to the extent that you remain free to indulge in wastefulness.


Actually communist economies are typically the LEAST efficient and most polluting in the world. Energy saving technology as well as pollution control technologies were all invented in capitalist societies.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 06:09:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou only have choices to the extent that you remain free to indulge in wastefulness.


Actually communist economies are typically the LEAST efficient and most polluting in the world. Energy saving technology as well as pollution control technologies were all invented in capitalist societies.


Beware of what you read in capitalist media as they invariably are privately owned and have a pro-capitalist agenda. We will NEVER get the truth on places such as the USSR, filtered as it was through biased surces and those "dissidents" who were bribed to underwrite the propaganda we are fed. Use your common sense and some rudimentary arithmetic.

In a communist society you have, for example, one factory producing toothpaste. In a capitalist society you have 100 factories producing toothpaste.

It takles minimal intelligence to figure out as to which is using resources in a profligate manner and discharging the most waste, unit for unit, the exercise is that simple.

The KISS principle works just as well in politics as it does elsewhere in life.

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Cloud9 » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 07:46:46

The single most successful single product ever produced by the Soviet Union was the AK 47. Even today, it is still in demand.

It was a product produced in a climate of peril and paranoia.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 08:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he single most successful single product ever produced by the Soviet Union was the AK 47. Even today, it is still in demand.

It was a product produced in a climate of peril and paranoia.


I guess people would be Mexicos claim to fame compadre?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Cloud9 » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 08:16:21

Those little brown hands scare you do they? :badgrin:
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 08:24:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')hose little brown hands scare you do they? :badgrin:


Not at all. I just wish they would learn to know their place though. :wink:
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 08:54:08

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You reply as if you have CHOICES!


Yes we do have choices . We are Americans and we are free and we intend to keep it that way.

I suggest you send your resume to North Korea. It sounds like they will have a job opening soon for a new party boss. I'm sure you will fit in well in that workers paradise. ;)
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby outcast » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 22:01:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou only have choices to the extent that you remain free to indulge in wastefulness.


Actually communist economies are typically the LEAST efficient and most polluting in the world. Energy saving technology as well as pollution control technologies were all invented in capitalist societies.


Beware of what you read in capitalist media as they invariably are privately owned and have a pro-capitalist agenda. We will NEVER get the truth on places such as the USSR, filtered as it was through biased surces and those "dissidents" who were bribed to underwrite the propaganda we are fed. Use your common sense and some rudimentary arithmetic.

In a communist society you have, for example, one factory producing toothpaste. In a capitalist society you have 100 factories producing toothpaste.

It takles minimal intelligence to figure out as to which is using resources in a profligate manner and discharging the most waste, unit for unit, the exercise is that simple.

The KISS principle works just as well in politics as it does elsewhere in life.

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 03:37:12

You can't have competition without surplus capacity and WASTE.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 19 Jul 2009, 07:21:43

Then why pray tell are the former communist block contries running head long into capitalism? Could it be that they discovered that their thriving black markets were more successful than their state run enterprises?
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