[dukey]

According to the medical literature 88% of the time wisdom teeth are removed a cavitation is left in the jawbone. What happens is, instead of the bone healing and filling the hole, the top simply heals over the site leaving a hole in the jawbone where bacteria are free to run wild.
Literature:
http://www.nvbt.nl/hot-cvs.html

So anyway, before I had my wisdom teeth extracted I printed off a whole wad of information for my surgeon on this subject. He had taken out over 10,000 wisdom teeth and had never heard of cavitations (great). He was pretty shocked at the literature I gave him, and made the changes advised in the surgery to keep me happy, which was to remove the periodontal ligaments that hold the tooth in place, so the bone can heal. Anyway 1 year later i wasn't happy either site (especially the left) had healed correctly, as my health has deteriorated since I had had them taken out and i was getting pain in the lymph nodes of my neck. He x-rayed me and told me everything was fine, look, excellent bone healing he said. I had 2 more dentists look at it, and had 2 more x-rays taken, the other 2 were focused right in on the area of where my left wisdom tooth had been. No one found any problems.

So anyway, i paid out thousands of pounds to go see one of the few dentists in the world that can do cavitation surgery. (There's just 1 in the whole of the UK). A guy that had been labelled as a quack and a fraud, who had been tried (and acquitted) of professional misconduct. The dental establishment has been trying to shut these people down for years. He used a device on on my called a cavitat scanner on me, a device the ADA in the US has tried extremely hard to put out of business, filling bogus lawsuits, intimidating dentists that have used this device and generally tried to bankrupt them (almost successfully). The cavitat scanner showed this


It is showing blood flow. What it shows is, where my wisdom tooth was extracted there was no blood flow at all, and the same under one of my healthy molars The guy also used an infra-red laser temperature sensor in my mouth and could tell immediately there was a problem there, because the temperature in that area of my mouth was 0.4 deg C cooler than the rest of my mouth (due to no blood flow).
Anyway, I had the surgery this Monday, and what he found was just horrifying. Where I had my tooth out on the right side, all that happened was the top healed over the site leaving a big black dry hole in my jawbone. On the left side, when they opened me up, the most god aweful smell was released. I had a large hole where I had my wisdom tooth, but it was filled with stinking fluid and jelly stuff, but not only that the necrosis had spread to under the adjacent tooth and entirely destroyed the bone there. Here's a picture of it. Not great you can just see the opening of it.


I also had a hole in my jawbone where I had last a front tooth a few years ago in an accident. I had surgery there too.

(Tooth is fake)

Question is, why do we have to fight so hard to get problems like this fixed ? These problems are far from rare. When i was having treatment, a woman had come all the way from Norway to get treated. She had severe arthritis, numbness in her hands, partial blindness and other scary problems. She had 8 cavitations, when they opened her up the necrosis had spread so far back in her jaw that the dentist, his longest instruments would only just reach the end of it. 2 days after having surgery, it was amazing, she was actually walking a lot better. She said feeling had started to come back in her hands, she said they were tingling all night. She hadn't any feeling in them for years. Was probably the most incredible thing I've ever seen. Anyway, I thought I'd share this, because I bet a lot of you have cavitations (toxic holes in your jawbone) and will never know about it.

Enjoy

[Micki]

I've had several recommendations to have my wisdom teeth pulled out.
Amongs other one dentist told me that one wisdom tooth is slightly under the next tooth and will start pushing that one and within a couple of years I will have much bigger problem.
That was abouty 20 years ago now and I haven't had any problems at all despite leaving them there.
One has to wonder if their analysis is more of an art than science.

[ian807]

Peak dentistry?

[Plantagenet]

TMI

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'A')ccording to the medical literature 88% of the time wisdom teeth are removed a cavitation is left in the jawbone.

[turner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'I')'ve had several recommendations to have my wisdom teeth pulled out.
Amongs other one dentist told me that one wisdom tooth is slightly under the next tooth and will start pushing that one and within a couple of years I will have much bigger problem.
That was abouty 20 years ago now and I haven't had any problems at all despite leaving them there.
One has to wonder if their analysis is more of an art than science.

[Pops]

I thought this was a thread about talking so fast no forward progress is made...

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')The obvious answer is that most medical people find the Journal of Advancement in Medicine to be a dishonest publication exploiting suggestible people, and much to their credit they don't want to do unneeded surgeries. They probably, also don't want to be sued for removing healthy normal teeth as most of the NICO purveyors have been.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'I') don't think anyone can argue that necrosis in your jawbone is a good thing.

[dukey]

is that comment aimed at me ?
my wisdom teeth absolutely had to come out, because they were growing totally horizontally and were in such a position that food had open access to my jaw. The infection had started to eat through my jaw, and my health and the time was terrible. Not only were the lymph nodes in my neck swollen but my underarms kept swelling up and then the skin would peal off. Was that part of your wisdom tooth pain ?



Exactly like that ^
I had surgery last year to break up the tooth in my jaw, then cut it out in peices, and also surgery to cut out the infected bone at the site. And it fixed me of my health problems, until 4 months later the gums finally healed over the site, and the cavitation formed. I don't recommend being awake through that kind of surgery because it was the most painful thing I've ever endured in my entire life. Later the dentist told me that the anaesthetic doesn't work that well if there is infection at the site, yeah great. Most dentists are operating blind because they have no way of telling how much bone has been destroyed by infection, without something like a cavitat theres just no way of knowing. I am not trying to argue that wisdom teeth should always be left in, but if you are going to extract them, you shouldn't be leaving massive holes in peoples jaws. A space where bacteria can go wild without the annoyance of the immune system.






$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')one marrow edema (first molar area; 58 y/o female). Irregular brownish discoloration admixed with small whitish specks of ischemic osteosclerosis are scattered throughout this mandible. Darkest brown area to the right was complete necrosis. The alveolar crest distal to the tooth was perforated (or never healed properly after the old extractions).

[smallpoxgirl]

Sorry Dukey. When a bone becomes infected with bacteria, there's a word for that. It's called osteomyelitis. When people get it, they're sick. Not chronic fatigue syndrome sick. Sick sick. Fevers. Elevated WBC counts. Elevated ESR and C Reactive Protein counts. Blood cultures growing bacteria. X-rays don't reliably pick it up, but bone scans and MRI do. It's treated with long courses of antibiotics not with surgery. Even the wingnuts who keep peddling this problem had to admit that. That's why they changed to the whole NICO thing and started claiming it's a sterile breakdown of bone that causes face pain. You've really got to keep up with the current wing nut literature so you'll know the right symptoms to get.

[dukey]

Actually what happens in the jaw is this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteonecrosis
not what you are describing at all.

From wikipedia
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause in the early stage of the disease x-ray images usually appear normal, bone scintigraphy[20] and MRI[21] are the diagnostic modalities of choice.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'A')ctually what happens in the jaw is this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteonecrosis

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen it became obvious that there was no infection

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'w')hen did it ever become obvious there was no infection ? Because I've never read that anywhere.

[threadbear]

I knew a woman who was pretty mentally ill in Vancouver. A dentist took her for every cent she had catering to all of her odd phobias and neuroses about her teeth. I go to the dentist, get my teeth cleaned once every five years...and then I'm outta there.
I'm also really leery about the mercury amalgam slowly poisoning you theory.

I pm'd SPG a link the other day to a blog by a man who is detailing his 6 year old daughter's terrible fight with childhood schizophrenia and the awful time the whole family is having with it. It's a great blog, very informative, lots of sharing of opinion and advice on different meds etc...Well, that's not good enough for the natural healing crowd. They think a round of aroma therapy and B12 will cure her, by God. They are accusing the poor father of Munchausen's by proxy, (intentionally making the little girl sick to get attention). It is beyond belief the lengths to which people will go, to satisfy their belief system. Everyone should be skeptical of mainstream science. Dukey, that's understandable. But for heaven's sakes, why would people who have no scientific background, just a strong point of view, be any more trustworthy?

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut for heaven's sakes, why would people who have no scientific background, just a strong point of view, be any more trustworthy?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'W')hen the immune systems access to the area is gone nothing stops bacteria from multiplying, and as in the case of my jaw, the infection had slowly started to eat through it.

[pedalling_faster]

love the pictures !

i have a molar with a cracked root & a big gold crown on top.

i know it will have to come out.

not sure whether to stick with the dental school or go to a more expensive local dentist.