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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby threadbear » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:14:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')gree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation. Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?


Okay, now I get you. Seriously, I didn't before. But why racial preservation? What's that about? Monitor borders, check. Keep jobs in your own country, check. But racial preservation? Why? Cultural preservation I get, though.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby threadbear » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:18:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'L')ets look at this persons views in the context of the economic crisis.

We have a world in crisis. Vast amounts of wealth are being extracted from the the commonwealth of us all in a very public way by very white, well fed, well clothed and well housed whites. Wars are being waged by these people in a bid to sequester the wealth of poor nations, many of whom have been invariably reduced to refugee status.

Many of our working young white and black men are being used in these wars for resources. The economic turmoil is devastating whole swathes of white working neighbourhoods.

And what does Pretorian do? Turn his rage and anger on destitute ghettoised blacks. Am I missing something or is this an example of denial bordering on intellectual destitution? Are we so conditioned to excuse our exploiters that we wilfully avoid the issues. Or is Pretorian merely intellectually challenged.

You be the judge.


Maybe you're both right. Frankly I hate black culture, rap music, etc...If a welfare family of any colour moved next door to me, was dealing drugs and listening to rap music all day, I'd move. If their behaviour is a feature of the oppression they've been through, that's very sad, but I'd be moving.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:49:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')err Hitler regaled a socialism for the national state whilst smashing the unions..... Sound familiar?


Herr Stalin regaled a socialism for the national state whilest smashing the unions.......sound familiar?

There WERE no independent trade unions in communist countries any more then there were in Hitlerite ones. The trade unions in both Nazi Germany and Communist Russia were puppet organizations designed only enforce state control over the workers.

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Pretorian » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 01:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')You are aware that travel within the USSR was tightly controlled with the soviet states being in effect, secure cultural entities.

The only controlled travel was to the military and border zones. You know, may be, a soviet citizen was entitled to 3-5-7 year inprisonment if he decided that he had enough of it. Way more than that until 1960s.
So here is another bullshit from you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'F')ull ownership of production and its means is the core feature of the scientific socialist economy.



Really? In case you don't know, nobody will care about someone else's property as much as about his own. N-E-V-E-R.This is why every intent of this commie idiocy had failed.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby eastbay » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 01:07:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')gree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation. Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?


Okay, now I get you. Seriously, I didn't before. But why racial preservation? What's that about? Monitor borders, check. Keep jobs in your own country, check. But racial preservation? Why? Cultural preservation I get, though.



The same reason we try to preserve the Ceylon elephant, the spotted owl, the various apes, butterflies and hummingbirds. It's all part of the wonderful diversity of life on Earth. It's all worth preserving. Even the various types of humans. Capitalism is destroying it all and it's time to move past this madness of mass destruction. :)
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby eastbay » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 01:10:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou know what really gets me about the radical left. They are so freaking "precious". They've got all the answers. You're always wrong, about everything. They generalize when they should be specific. The politicize the personal. The radical feminist bullshit is more than I can bear. Women never do anything wrong, oh, except the behaviour they have to indulge in because they were traumatized by men or they have to get along in a "man's world". Victim based demonizing hordes of feminazis, totally out of tune, totally out of touch....and God help you if you're not totally with them. Why then you must be just completely against them. No reason, no sense of proportion, no rationale, just blind hate.




My sentiments exactly!! Very well put. How these wacko's usurped the term, leftist, is beyond me.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby americandream » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 01:42:48

Why, why should I as a Marxist have any more mercy for my enemies than say, the conservative or racist would have for his? I'm a little mystified at the comments on here. Marx did not advocate reform, he advocated revolution, a bloody revolution to seize power and smash ones opponenets with an iron fist, totally and so completely, they are obliterated from memory. I am not cast from the mould of the bogus left.
There will be a die-off, only it wont be of those that the rabble right (who will be accountable in due course) often fantasise about.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby outcast » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 01:48:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')gree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation. Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?




Cultures are not static entities, if they don't change they eventually either get conquered by stronger cultures or simply vanish. Stagnation breeds decay, corruption, and weakness. The ones that die, deserved it.

How exactly is it "destroying your people"? What exactly is "race"? Should we just define it as what you look like, or should we stop kidding ourselves and admit that in reality there is only one race, the human race?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he same reason we try to preserve the Ceylon elephant, the spotted owl, the various apes, butterflies and hummingbirds. It's all part of the wonderful diversity of life on Earth. It's all worth preserving. Even the various types of humans. Capitalism is destroying it all and it's time to move past this madness of mass destruction. :)


99% of all species that have ever existed have been wiped out by nature. We have a long way to go to catch up to it.

We shouldn't be so quick to blame capitalism, lets keep in mind the worst polluter in the world was the Soviet Union.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby americandream » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 01:56:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')gree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation. Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?




Cultures are not static entities, if they don't change they eventually either get conquered by stronger cultures or simply vanish. Stagnation breeds decay, corruption, and weakness. The ones that die, deserved it.

How exactly is it "destroying your people"? What exactly is "race"? Should we just define it as what you look like, or should we stop kidding ourselves and admit that in reality there is only one race, the human race?


Eastbay is conveying a subtle point here. Migration of the destabilising kind that is so much a feature of debilitating capitalism will no longer be a feature of a society based on sustainable equity and consequently, racial and cultural integrity will arise naturally and organically. It does not follow that paranoia will reign ofthe kind we see in the likes of Pretorian. In fact, in an environment of mutual integrity, fraternal feelings arise quite spontaneously and cultures merge and evolve naturally, not by dictate or politically correct edict.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Pretorian » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 02:01:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '
')How exactly is it "destroying your people"? What exactly is "race"? Should we just define it as what you look like, or should we stop kidding ourselves and admit that in reality there is only one race, the human race?


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Remember: long ago before people moved and migrated, and mixed and matched … there was one people: one color, one race. The colors are flowing
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Quinny » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 03:20:40

Whoa - All I'm asking for is someone to address the issue that was raised a few pages back. Doesn't seem theirs anyone up to it. Where was Marx wrong?

BTW Tanada that genies not going back in the bottle. Those monarchs/despots will be first against the wall!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou know what really gets me about the radical left. They are so freaking "precious". They've got all the answers. You're always wrong, about everything. They generalize when they should be specific. The politicize the personal. The radical feminist bullshit is more than I can bear. Women never do anything wrong, oh, except the behaviour they have to indulge in because they were traumatized by men or they have to get along in a "man's world". Victim based demonizing hordes of feminazis, totally out of tune, totally out of touch....and God help you if you're not totally with them. Why then you must be just completely against them. No reason, no sense of proportion, no rationale, just blind hate.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Fishman » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 15:50:27

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"There will be a die-off, only it wont be of those that the rabble right (who will be accountable in due course) often fantasise about"
I assume it will be some group that you fatasise about instead? Sorry, individuals who work hard, small groups of likeminded (say church size) are far more likely to survive. You think the workers will unite to kill off the evil capitalist? HAR HAR HAR
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 16:02:12

American Dream yearns to be a party boss and keep the proletariat under his thumb cause like most misguided delusional liberals he "thinks" he knows best.

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby eastbay » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 16:05:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'A')merican Dream yearns to be a party boss and keep the proletariat under his thumb cause like most misguided delusional liberals he "thinks" he knows best.

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Excellent! It's really easy to see which nation is managing to get by using far, far less energy. In a few years, decades, perhaps, the southern portion of that peninsula will be shining just like the north. That's conservation preparedness! Another reason capitalism is failing. It inherently squanders WAYYY too much energy. Gluttonous, in fact. :)
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 16:14:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Excellent! It's really easy to see which nation is managing to get by using far, far less energy. In a few years, decades, perhaps, the southern portion of that peninsula will be shining just like the north. That's conservation preparedness! Another reason capitalism is failing. It inherently squanders WAYYY too much energy. Gluttonous, in fact. :)


Like I said delusional. Even in times of plentiful energy, this is what a communist paradise achieves.

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So imagine how well communism will do in future...............................
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby eastbay » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 16:20:05

Imagine how peak oil will ravage all of us. No nation or system will be immune from this coming onslaught. When it gets underway and really rolling along do you really want a system based and predicated upon permanent economic growth to manage the harsh decline?

It won't because it can't. So IMO whether we want it or not.... and most do not.... communal ownership and management of the decline will be mandatory for any small measure of success.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Quinny » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 16:26:26

This is becoming more entertaining - Capitalism's superiority being demonstrated by it's Electricity usage - ON A PEAK OIL WEBSITE. LMAO :lol:

Still no-one up for criticising Marxist theory?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby americandream » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 16:40:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')merican Dream
"There will be a die-off, only it wont be of those that the rabble right (who will be accountable in due course) often fantasise about"
I assume it will be some group that you fatasise about instead? Sorry, individuals who work hard, small groups of likeminded (say church size) are far more likely to survive. You think the workers will unite to kill off the evil capitalist? HAR HAR HAR


Actually, I am ABSOLUTELY certain that the well heeled and their travelling companions are going to come terribly a cropper. You guys are going to pay a terrible price for lulling the rest of us into LIVING BEYOND our means by lies and innuendo.

For the record, I have an unerringly accurate record in detailing geo-political trends from examing current developments against future expectations. I was correct about the emergence of post Soviet parasitical capitalism. I am now forecasting that capital will take a hyper parasitical form (we haven't seen anything yet I believe in terms of bubbles and euphoria) and the resource and planetary damage will be of a magnitude that we cannot even comprehend.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby americandream » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 17:01:14

And in the midst of the emotional hype that passes for debate, it must be said that no amount of political philosophising will reverse this dynamic. Capital WILL overwhelm its resource base. Capital WILL be held accountable. It's value sysems WILL be swiftly abandoned in a bid to reverse its inherent tendencies. The global community WILL conform to technology based sustainable equity in a bid to contain the rage of the majority who WILL be demanding a sustainable resolution of cornucopia's impulses. It WILL seem the most natural of outcomes. This is the dialectic of materialism in action. Each cause compels its resulting effect which in turn assumes a causitive function and triggers the next effect etc.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Postby Tanada » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 17:18:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')hoa - All I'm asking for is someone to address the issue that was raised a few pages back. Doesn't seem theirs anyone up to it. Where was Marx wrong?

BTW Tanada that genies not going back in the bottle. Those monarchs/despots will be first against the wall!


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