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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 23:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')his entire sector of the economy-shelter, housing, what have you-should be immediately placed under centralized planning and authority; it's too god damned important to be left to the free market idiots and their voodoo market forces.

allowing this to degenerate into tens of millions of homeless invalidates the very legitimacy of the government. let them eat cake, indeed.


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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby pablonite » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:10:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')his entire sector of the economy-shelter, housing, what have you-should be immediately placed under centralized planning and authority; it's too god damned important to be left to the free market idiots and their voodoo market forces.

You're gonna get yur centralized planning alright, with an extra helping of authority right after the government eats all the cake.

If you want to call a handful of banks and corporations owning almost everything in America a "free market" then you will have no problem calling freedom slavery.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby hardtootell-2 » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:29:29

too bizarre!

How about this one in our new upside down economy?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/07/ ... s-and.html
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 11:12:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 't')his entire sector of the economy-shelter, housing, what have you-should be immediately placed under centralized planning and authority; it's too god damned important to be left to the free market idiots and their voodoo market forces.

You're gonna get yur centralized planning alright, with an extra helping of authority right after the government eats all the cake.

If you want to call a handful of banks and corporations owning almost everything in America a "free market" then you will have no problem calling freedom slavery.


America has been a bastion of central planning since the Depression, and even before, in some respects.

The main difference is that America does most of its planning with carrots, not sticks, so I can understand the confusion.

"Here's a shiny new 'free' concrete highway, so drive, comrade."

"Here's a $4,000 tax credit, so buy that house you deserve, comrade."

et. al.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby Maddog78 » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 11:25:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'A') person would be stupid not to join the madness... Quit the full time job, grab some farm work for cash, grab that government welfare check, oBama health care coverage. Spend free time buying craigslist hookers, and driving an old Z28 with bald tires...



:lol: Excellent post.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby VMarcHart » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 12:06:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'C')an we actually afford such a massive welfare state?
I think the answer is no, we cannot. However, what's the alternative? Nor can we afford to have millions living under decaying bridges. It's a conundrum.

I'm not totally opposed to the principle, for as long as you and I don't pay rent for someone to live in a McMansion he/she couldn't afford to begin with.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 12:25:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'I')'m not totally opposed to the principle, for as long as you and I don't pay rent for someone to live in a McMansion he/she couldn't afford to begin with.


True, but you know we will.

Foreclosure making millions homeless is a myth - there are always options, including renting or staying with friends/family. Sure, it's probably not convenient or very comfortable or very 'American,' but the alternative of Americans losing a sense of moral hazard en masse is a frightening one indeed.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby hironegro » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 17:21:16

thank you baby boomers!
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby nobodypanic » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 20:20:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')
A McMansion for every comrade!

or an AK. take your pick, but i promise you, you won't like the alternative.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', ' ')
If you want to call a handful of banks and corporations owning almost everything in America a "free market" then you will have no problem calling freedom slavery.

i call this the inevitable, penultimate conclusion of free market capitalism--the ultimate in regulatory capture: the union of the bourgeois privateers and the state itself. rewind the tape, and you will get right here every single time.

i call your system unjust, inequitable, perverse, degenerate, unsustainable, avaricious, a blot against humanity and thankfully nearly extinct. good riddance.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ' ')Foreclosure making millions homeless is a myth - there are always options, including renting or staying with friends/family. Sure, it's probably not convenient or very comfortable or very 'American,' but the alternative of Americans losing a sense of moral hazard en masse is a frightening one indeed.

how are you going to pay rent when you're unemployed?

family or friends? do you think there's an endless train of these, regressing into infinity and always ready to catch the next wave of dispossessed? what happens when they also lose their jobs/incomes/homes?

moral hazard, freedom... nothing but empty words when placed against hunger, cold, hopelessness, homelessness, helplessness.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 00:34:15

After moral hazard is gone, it's a short jaunt to 'kill or be killed'. Not a fun time to be living.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 12:12:52

Way back when, I predicted that this time period would mark the beginning of the end of private homeownership in the United States, like the Great Depression marked the end of the private farm and the emerging of the big farming conglomerates.

Here are the quotes from back then:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ook at what's happening with the GSEs now and recall this post:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his time period in America will be the transition from "private home ownership" to renters. Just as the Great Depression destroyed the small American farmer, this time will be the destruction of individual home ownership. I predict that the majority of these properties will eventually be bought and owned by large institutions or families and rented. Private land ownership in the US will become more like the UK, where people can lease properties for up to 100 years.



PO Topic

And then this one:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f the Fed Reserve gets all these mortgages as collateral, and if the banks that it loaned the money to go bankrupt, then the Fed Reserve becomes the "holder in due course" of the mortgages. If the mortgages go bad, the Federal Reserve can foreclose on them, owning millions of home.

Could the Federal Reserve become the biggest landlord in the country? Its not unthinkable. On a much smaller scale where I live, a regional bank has set up an in house department to rent out the many homes it has foreclosed on, so the Federal Reserve could do something similar, or I'm sure Goldman Sachs or someone would gladly own a majority of the homes in the US and charge a reasonable rental rate, plus, use those homes it owns as collateral to buy the rest of the world.


Ultimately, however this plays out, it will be the shift away from private home ownership in America, just as the Great Depression killed the small farmer.


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http://peakoil.com/post725763.html?hilit=housing%20depression%20end%20private%20ownership#p725763
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby nobodypanic » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 15:24:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'A')fter moral hazard food and shelter is gone, it's a short jaunt to 'kill or be killed'. Not a fun time to be living.

fixed that for you bro.

as you can see, we aren't that far apart conceptually. hope that clears up my position.
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 17 Jul 2009, 16:46:11

yes it does
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby seahorse2 » Thu 05 Nov 2009, 15:05:56

Just as I predicted earlier in this thread, the Fed is taking over homes and will start renting them out. This period is more and more looking like the beginning of the end of private homeownership in the United States. We will very likely move to a more European model, where a large majority of homes are just long term leases, some as long as 100 years.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1585-WHERE-ARE-THE-DAMN-HANDCUFFS-Fraudie.html
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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Thu 05 Nov 2009, 16:36:01

Karl Denninger deems this to be another scam, in a long line of government scams.

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Re: Feds consider allowing homeowners to rent their own homes

Unread postby Livewire713 » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 16:22:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', 't')hank you baby boomers!


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