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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 08:34:42

Or you can dedicate yourself to saving your race and die with a fork in your ass and a smile on your face.

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 10:03:23

Brainless sexless ants? :lol:

Where have i said anything that you've attributed to me here?

Your deep seated hatred must come from somewhere. Why don't you come clean, I've often helped sort out peoples problems in the past.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', ' ')his obscene ideas.


Sorry if my ideas of saving my own race is obscene what are your ideas of exterminating your own, or all other races for that matter. What about your ideas that were killing 150 people per hour throughout all 20th century. What about your ideas that humans should be nothing but brainless sexless ants. What about all this Queeny? Can you answer or you performed already your transformation and that avatar of yours is your real life picture?

And don't worry about hypocrisy, it comes with the whole commie package, you surely couldnt avoid it.
Or perhaps only hypocrats could get that package in the first place?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 12:28:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou haven't answered my question. Are you happy to quietly acquiesce to an order which counts amongst its divine rights, the obligation that you turn a blind eye to your wife being the local laird's fcuk buddy?

In your answer lies the logic as to why we, the rank and file, will never regress to the past.


Of course I would not be happy with it, but my happiness has no bearing on what direction the culture I live in progresses towards. I am certainly not happy with the injustice system we have calling itself our Judicial system, nor am I happy with the way the PTB are driving my culture, and my country, into the ditch or possibly off the cliff. None of that changes cultural inertia or the inevitable victory of the Human standard, as it was so shall it be again.

Humans crave stability, and the most psychologically easy way to get it is through hereditary rule. Democracy, no matter if they are Direct or Republican in form, do not promote stability. Every Pol that comes along promises the exact opposite because they are always appealing to the voter's whose candidate lost last time. Even so the retention rate for the US Government is in the 90% plus rate, that is over 9 out of 10 times if a Pol runs to retain office they already hold they get re-elected. Even applies to Presidents, if they are popular with their own base voters they get enough people from the middle who want stability and they win, it was only presidents like Jimmy Carter & George H.W. Bush who lost the support of their own base who do not get re-elected.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 13:17:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'B')rainless sexless ants? :lol:

Where have i said anything that you've attributed to me here?

Your deep seated hatred must come from somewhere. Why don't you come clean, I've often helped sort out peoples problems in the past.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', ' ')his obscene ideas.


Sorry if my ideas of saving my own race is obscene what are your ideas of exterminating your own, or all other races for that matter. What about your ideas that were killing 150 people per hour throughout all 20th century. What about your ideas that humans should be nothing but brainless sexless ants. What about all this Queeny? Can you answer or you performed already your transformation and that avatar of yours is your real life picture?

And don't worry about hypocrisy, it comes with the whole commie package, you surely couldnt avoid it.
Or perhaps only hypocrats could get that package in the first place?



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1)a)You've mentioned several times that you fancy about mongrelizing everybody.
b) that's a part of being commie anyway;
2) you are a commie;
3) you are a commie;
4) you are a commie;

no family, no migration, working people to death without remuneration that is what communism is about as americandream stated himself.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 13:49:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou cannot operate racial fortresses in an ocean of torrid poverty.


LOL Sounds like you are describing New Zealand. A racial fortress ( Population of 4.3 million sheep fu#kers that are close to 80% white european) in the middle of an ocean who wish to be isolated from the rest of the poverty in the world.

Curious..............do the rest of the Pākehā there think highly of Mao and communism too or do they just tolerate you as long as you bash your old homeland??

Here is a thunk......why not send the gitmo boys down to NZ. I hear they adapted well to life in the Bahamas and you guys could use a few more mosques. Perhaps a couple of hundred thousand haitians or Somalis should be allowed to immigrate. Diversity is a plus you know.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 14:41:13

Yet another thread which descends into personal attacks by the racist right?

Can they not attack the idea - or even recognise one?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 15:29:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'H')umans crave stability, and the most psychologically easy way to get it is through hereditary rule. Democracy, no matter if they are Direct or Republican in form, do not promote stability.

I would have to argue with that quite strongly. The history of the British Isles (and Europe generally) is a long series of dynasitic wars of increadible brutality. Many of these were pretenders, brothers, sons and losers with tenuous claims but foreign backing. Democracy takes decades to bed down but once it has has been remarkably in maintaining stablity in a continent like Europe with a history of near permenant war.

Everyone loses in a democracy, but we kind of accept that we lose a bit but no one ultimately gains it all. Its all fussy messy compromises and deals, but those compromises and deals between classes and cultures within a state become a habit of compromise and fudging along in what Churchill famously called "the worst system of goverment in the world.... except for all the others".
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Quinny » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 16:33:44

Imagine a future where an elected government decide to sequestrate my assets/land/preps for the common good. I'd be pretty annoyed to say the least, but at least there's some logic/moral authority. I'd most probably acquiesce.

If they were the lackys of the local monarch/feudal lord, I'd do everything in my power to stop them. I'm quite a mild mannered type of guy really but can have my moments, this would be one of them and if they had overwhelming force they might initially win. I'd hunt them down though, and I wouldn't like to be in their shoes. I'm sure I'd have a fair bit of backup from others as well.

Although the need for stability may be a driving force for many, for those who have fighting spirit, justice and honour are actually more important than material wealth.

I personally would work all day for the common good (subject to having enough to live), but would also fight against anyone who tried to enslave me.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 17:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'H')umans crave stability, and the most psychologically easy way to get it is through hereditary rule. Democracy, no matter if they are Direct or Republican in form, do not promote stability.

I would have to argue with that quite strongly. The history of the British Isles (and Europe generally) is a long series of dynasitic wars of increadible brutality. Many of these were pretenders, brothers, sons and losers with tenuous claims but foreign backing. Democracy takes decades to bed down but once it has has been remarkably in maintaining stablity in a continent like Europe with a history of near permenant war.

Everyone loses in a democracy, but we kind of accept that we lose a bit but no one ultimately gains it all. Its all fussy messy compromises and deals, but those compromises and deals between classes and cultures within a state become a habit of compromise and fudging along in what Churchill famously called "the worst system of goverment in the world.... except for all the others".


What we think of today as 'Democracy' in the UK for example really only dates back to the middle of the 19th century, the system before then was very different than the system in place today. For France it is even more recent, they have changed government style so often that for a while it was considered a joke to say France and Stable in the same sentence. Germany, Austria and Italy only became Democracies post WW I, and for Germany and Italy they relapsed into Dictatorships until after WW II. Poland, Hungry, Greece...they have all wobbled in and out of government types from Monarchies to Communist dictatorships, to Democracies to just plain messes like what became of Yugoslavia in the 1990's.

Let me know when they have "settled down", considering there is less evidence of them doing so then there is for Global Warming/Cooling or just about any other debated topic.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 18:28:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou haven't answered my question. Are you happy to quietly acquiesce to an order which counts amongst its divine rights, the obligation that you turn a blind eye to your wife being the local laird's fcuk buddy?

In your answer lies the logic as to why we, the rank and file, will never regress to the past.


Of course I would not be happy with it, but my happiness has no bearing on what direction the culture I live in progresses towards. I am certainly not happy with the injustice system we have calling itself our Judicial system, nor am I happy with the way the PTB are driving my culture, and my country, into the ditch or possibly off the cliff. None of that changes cultural inertia or the inevitable victory of the Human standard, as it was so shall it be again.

Humans crave stability, and the most psychologically easy way to get it is through hereditary rule. Democracy, no matter if they are Direct or Republican in form, do not promote stability. Every Pol that comes along promises the exact opposite because they are always appealing to the voter's whose candidate lost last time. Even so the retention rate for the US Government is in the 90% plus rate, that is over 9 out of 10 times if a Pol runs to retain office they already hold they get re-elected. Even applies to Presidents, if they are popular with their own base voters they get enough people from the middle who want stability and they win, it was only presidents like Jimmy Carter & George H.W. Bush who lost the support of their own base who do not get re-elected.


The Luddites craved the stability you yearn for at the onset of industrial civilisation and a return to earlier sensibilities and yet the critical mass for the systemic transition was compelling. As I have been saying all along, these are objective forces. Each shift that we make as a species conclusively shuts the door on preceding ones. There is no going back for us notwithstanding islands of nostalgia such as yourself. This is quite a hard concept to embrace as long as one thinks emotionally.

Immedately after university in the early 1990's, I left my university and London for a rather modest, agrarian way of life as a crofter in a remote and extremely traditonal British Island outpost far out in the North Sea. It was an abject lesson in change. Nothing stands still. All that has gone before is remoreselesly swept away by time other than our memories and nostalgias.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 18:38:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'B')rainless sexless ants? :lol:

Where have i said anything that you've attributed to me here?

Your deep seated hatred must come from somewhere. Why don't you come clean, I've often helped sort out peoples problems in the past.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', ' ')his obscene ideas.


Sorry if my ideas of saving my own race is obscene what are your ideas of exterminating your own, or all other races for that matter. What about your ideas that were killing 150 people per hour throughout all 20th century. What about your ideas that humans should be nothing but brainless sexless ants. What about all this Queeny? Can you answer or you performed already your transformation and that avatar of yours is your real life picture?

And don't worry about hypocrisy, it comes with the whole commie package, you surely couldnt avoid it.
Or perhaps only hypocrats could get that package in the first place?



where ? On peakoil.com
1)a)You've mentioned several times that you fancy about mongrelizing everybody.
b) that's a part of being commie anyway;
2) you are a commie;
3) you are a commie;
4) you are a commie;

no family, no migration, working people to death without remuneration that is what communism is about as americandream stated himself.


Curious fellow. You despise the mongrelising effect of the migration of economic refugees, the product of global mayhem, destabilisation and wars, and yet you berate me! Evidently you despise the cultural disorder in your "hoods" as you make so evident and yet you berate my analysis! Strange fellow indeed.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 18:46:32

Agree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation. Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 18:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou cannot operate racial fortresses in an ocean of torrid poverty.


LOL Sounds like you are describing New Zealand. A racial fortress ( Population of 4.3 million sheep fu#kers that are close to 80% white european) in the middle of an ocean who wish to be isolated from the rest of the poverty in the world.

Curious..............do the rest of the Pākehā there think highly of Mao and communism too or do they just tolerate you as long as you bash your old homeland??

Here is a thunk......why not send the gitmo boys down to NZ. I hear they adapted well to life in the Bahamas and you guys could use a few more mosques. Perhaps a couple of hundred thousand haitians or Somalis should be allowed to immigrate. Diversity is a plus you know.


Muslims....

Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year. One fifth of the money, which the CIA mostly turned over to Pakistani military intelligence to distribute, went to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, a violent extremist who as a youth used to throw acid on the faces of unveiled girls in Afghanistan.

Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals).

Haiti

In the U.S., Haiti is portrayed as a world apart: the "poorest country in the western hemisphere"-a place of inexplicable violence and instability, horrible poverty, and scant resources. Seldom are we reminded that this was the first nation after the U.S. to achieve independence, and was the first Black republic-that this is a country with a history not only of repression and violence but also of heroism, resistance, immense human and cultural vitality. Far from being "a world apart," Haiti has from its inception been all too firmly locked into a world system that has exploited, battered, and abused its natural and human resources.
Perhaps the starkest omission is that the U.S. has played a long and devastating role in Haiti, including a brutal nineteen-year military occupation, from 1915 to 1934. Writes Historian Mary Renda:
While in Haiti, marines installed a puppet president, dissolved the legislature at gunpoint, denied freedom of speech, and forced a new constitution on the Caribbean nation-one more favorable to foreign investment. With the help of the marines, U.S. officials seized customs houses, took control of Haitian finances.... Meanwhile, marines waged war against insurgents (called cacos) who for several years maintained an armed resistance in the countryside, and imposed a brutal system of forced labor that engendered even more fierce Haitian resistance. By official U.S. estimates, more than 3,000 Haitians were killed during this period; a more thorough accounting reveals that the death toll may have reached 1 1,500.
Renda continues: "This extended breach of Haitian sovereignty constitutes an infamous but crucial chapter in Haitian history." Yet, "the occupation has earned little more than a footnote in standard accounts of U.S. history."
This occupation was in fact a crucial moment in the development of American imperialism, and the brutality and betrayal of the long occupation is consistent with the treatment meted out to Haiti by the U.S. throughout its history to the present day.

Somalia

During the cold war both the U.S. and Soviet Union vied for influence and control over Somalia because of its strategic location along oil routes from the Persian Gulf. In the 1970s the USSR armed and aided Somalia. Barre, in turn, professed socialism to win Soviet military support for his drive to annex Ethiopia’s ethnically Somali Ogaden region. After the Soviet Union switched support to Ethiopia’s new Marxist military government, Somalia lost the Ogaden war. By the early 1980s the U.S. had replaced the Soviet Union as Somalia’s military patron. U.S. military aid to Somalia during the 1980s totaled more than $200 million, with hundreds of millions more in economic (primarily food) aid. The U.S. sought to maintain its influence in this volatile area, and to counter the Soviet presence in Ethiopia. Barre gave the U.S. a naval communications facility at Berbera on the Gulf of Aden, which had previously been under Soviet control.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 19:25:10

Actually I'm a pretty average kiwi guy, Alex and other assorted travellers peddling chaos on here. I live in a small town and count amomgst my friends a few red necks who have the sense to admit that my analysis is valid (and please note, I use the term valid, not right, nor wrong, but valid) even as they concede that their vision is purely driven by selfishness and greed. We agree to differ in the knowledge that there has been integrity in the debate even though we might as well be solar systems apart in terms of our ideas.

Whats your excuse?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 19:28:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')gree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation.


But of course, by all means! The Socialism you are talking about is called National Socialism. A bit different from what americandream is peddling don't you think.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?

Capitalism is not a system! If it was there wouldnt be no welfare, public housing, Medicaid, food stamps, bankruptcy laws, "no child left behind" acts, bailouts, international handovers, creation of useless state jobs, political correctness, no knee replacement surgeries for 85 yo demented, bed-ridden people with terminal cancer and many other things.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 19:49:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')gree. Beyond strange... interesting 'they' defend a system that is driving them extinct. The socialism I envision will serve to preserve diversity not destroy it through massive, violent, and systemic mandatory mulit-culturalism.

Join us in creating a system with VERY closely monitored national borders, cultural integrity, cultural and racial preservation.


But of course, by all means! The Socialism you are talking about is called National Socialism. A bit different from what americandream is peddling don't you think.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')Why defend a failing and antiquated system (capitalism) that is striving so hard.... and successfully... to destroy your people? To destroy ALL peoples?

Capitalism is not a system! If it was there wouldnt be no welfare, public housing, Medicaid, food stamps, bankruptcy laws, "no child left behind" acts, bailouts, international handovers, creation of useless state jobs, political correctness, no knee replacement surgeries for 85 yo demented, bed-ridden people with terminal cancer and many other things.


You are aware that travel within the USSR was tightly controlled with the soviet states being in effect, secure cultural entities.

Full ownership of production and its means is the core feature of the scientific socialist economy.

On the other hand, Herr Hitler regaled a socialism for the national state whilst smashing the unions, amply subsidising corporations and courting the nobility. Sound familiar?

There WILL NOT be scientifc socialism as long as one corporate owner survives to extract a morsel of surplus from workers anywhere in the world.

And the liberalism you describe is a function of capital, a subsidy as it were, to pacify the masses such as yourself. There would be no child left behind rules as the rationale for the rules, the family, no longer would exist. Think carefully about what I am conceptualising here before replying in haste. Don't fight those windmills in your mind but open it up to the contours of post peak language and thinking.

The Family would be obsolete. Cultural integrity. Radical stuff huh!

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 15 Jul 2009, 20:22:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')What we think of today as 'Democracy' in the UK for example really only dates back to the middle of the 19th century, the system before then was very different than the system in place today.
I am at a slight loss as to why you have chosen the mid 19th century as the cut off date. The most significant date would be the 1689 Dutch conquest of the UK (the glorious revolution) when the primacy of parliament over monarch was enforced. The last real dynastic threats to the system of governence petered out after the 1715 and 1745 highland revolts. Once a parliamentary system of government was established, armed insurrection was pretty much ended. Universal emansipation was a slow process from Peterloo through the chartists until the suffragetes, but by the ascent of Victoria the dominance of parliament was unquestioned. Britain pre 1690 was a long history of brutal wars for power between family members. After 1745 when the Stewart claim failed there was only low level civil disorder in persuit of class struggle and human rights (Ireland aside). Can you find 50 years as peacful internally, pre 1690, on the mainland as the last 200 years have been?
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:07:32

You know what really gets me about the radical left. They are so freaking "precious". They've got all the answers. You're always wrong, about everything. They generalize when they should be specific. The politicize the personal. The radical feminist bullshit is more than I can bear. Women never do anything wrong, oh, except the behaviour they have to indulge in because they were traumatized by men or they have to get along in a "man's world". Victim based demonizing hordes of feminazis, totally out of tune, totally out of touch....and God help you if you're not totally with them. Why then you must be just completely against them. No reason, no sense of proportion, no rationale, just blind hate.
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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

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Re: Where have all the leftist whackjobs gone?

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 16 Jul 2009, 00:11:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')What we think of today as 'Democracy' in the UK for example really only dates back to the middle of the 19th century, the system before then was very different than the system in place today.
I am at a slight loss as to why you have chosen the mid 19th century as the cut off date. The most significant date would be the 1689 Dutch conquest of the UK (the glorious revolution) when the primacy of parliament over monarch was enforced. The last real dynastic threats to the system of governence petered out after the 1715 and 1745 highland revolts. Once a parliamentary system of government was established, armed insurrection was pretty much ended. Universal emansipation was a slow process from Peterloo through the chartists until the suffragetes, but by the ascent of Victoria the dominance of parliament was unquestioned. Britain pre 1690 was a long history of brutal wars for power between family members. After 1745 when the Stewart claim failed there was only low level civil disorder in persuit of class struggle and human rights (Ireland aside). Can you find 50 years as peacful internally, pre 1690, on the mainland as the last 200 years have been?


With the reform of the Parliament in the early decades of the 19th century to enforce majority rule, coupled with Queen Victoria eliminating the power of the House of Lords through threat and coercion the system fundamentally changed from what it had been for the prior 150 years, which as you yourself point out was different from what it was before Charles I proved himself to be a total fool and lost his head :D

The root cause IMO of all these changes in the 19th century was the rise of Mercantilism and the Industrial revolution. This drew masses of people to the cities for the convenience of the factory owners and effectively stripped both the nobility and the rural folk of their influence on the course of events. No longer was the humble freeholder an important person to Government, far easier to buy the votes of a thousand poor working class factory employees than the equivalent number of freeholders.
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