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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby JJ » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 09:31:29

Wildrose said:
I wish you could have met my German Shepherd. We had her for 16 years. She didn't like other dogs much but became more tolerant of them as she matured. In hindsight, she didn't have a lot of socialization with other dogs, so I know that was part of the problem. With people, however, she was calm, obedient, absolutely lovely to have around. I could let her off leash and she never went more than maybe 50 feet away from me; if she turned around and I made eye contact with her, she'd run right back. She never had any formal training at all; everything she learned was just from being immersed in family life, having long daily walks, going on holidays with us, etc. I believe she was just a really gentle soul and we were lucky to find her.

I have a fourteen year old Lacy (hunting dog) that is just like that. She's the alpha dog, doesn't take any sh%t from the other dogs but obedient to a fault. She won't go fifty feet away without permission. Never trained her, got her from the pound when she was six months.
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 11:28:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'W')ildrose said:
I wish you could have met my German Shepherd. We had her for 16 years. She didn't like other dogs much but became more tolerant of them as she matured. In hindsight, she didn't have a lot of socialization with other dogs, so I know that was part of the problem. With people, however, she was calm, obedient, absolutely lovely to have around. I could let her off leash and she never went more than maybe 50 feet away from me; if she turned around and I made eye contact with her, she'd run right back. She never had any formal training at all; everything she learned was just from being immersed in family life, having long daily walks, going on holidays with us, etc. I believe she was just a really gentle soul and we were lucky to find her.

I have a fourteen year old Lacy (hunting dog) that is just like that. She's the alpha dog, doesn't take any sh%t from the other dogs but obedient to a fault. She won't go fifty feet away without permission. Never trained her, got her from the pound when she was six months.


Sounds just like my old dog, we got her from the animal shelter at 6 months of age as well. And the funny thing was, when I first met her at the shelter and spent a few minutes with her, she was quite indifferent towards me, but calm. My instinct told me she'd be a good dog, and she was.
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 11:35:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') have what I think is probably a coon hound. I was told she was a beagle when I got her as a pup, but she's gotten way too big to be a beagle. She's a great dog, white and lemon colored.

But I CAN'T let her off the leash, ever. I've made the mistake of playing a chasing game with her in the yard, so now if she gets out of the house it's just one big game of "chase me down the street."

She's two years old now.. it would be nice to not have to be on constant watch as far her not getting out of the house, or god forbid I drop the leash or she slips out of it.

Two is not too late for basic obedience training, Sixstrings (tho' of course the younger the better; training can even start as early as seven weeks). It will likely require some extra effort tho'. Believe me, it's well worth the investment, both in time and money.

If you can, find someone who follows Matthew Margolis' National Institute of Dog Training methodology. Margolis has been training dogs since 1968 and his methods are well-proven. Sit-stay is one of the primary foundations of basic obedience and a fundamental tool for correcting many forms of misbehavior.


I agree, your dog is still young and should respond well to training. With a bit of training, and the natural settling down that comes with getting a bit older, she'll be much easier for you to walk and call back. I'm going to get some training for my new pup, as she has a high prey drive and wants to chase anything that will run. That's the collie in her, I suppose.

TWilliam, thanks for your input re: training dogs. :)
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 11:46:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'I') have a fourteen year old Lacy (hunting dog) that is just like that. She's the alpha dog, doesn't take any sh%t from the other dogs but obedient to a fault. She won't go fifty feet away without permission. Never trained her, got her from the pound when she was six months.

Actually, everyone 'trains' their dog, just as everyone 'trains' their children. The difference is whether they do so consciously or unconsciously. Some people understand the value of consistent, loving reinforcement of desirable behavior coupled with consistent discipline for undesirable behavior, even if they don't think about it consciously... :)
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 11:58:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'I') agree, your dog is still young and should respond well to training. With a bit of training, and the natural settling down that comes with getting a bit older, she'll be much easier for you to walk and call back. I'm going to get some training for my new pup, as she has a high prey drive and wants to chase anything that will run. That's the collie in her, I suppose.

Yep, collies are another working breed. The behavior you describe is less about prey than about their legacy as herding animals (tho' of course dogs do hunt). They want to herd anything that runs off back into the fold. It can be fun to watch this behavior manifest with one raised well with a family when playing with a group of young children.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')William, thanks for your input re: training dogs. :)

You're quite welcome, WildRose. Good luck with you new family member... :)
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby Roy » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 13:09:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ut in the country we shoot dogs if they attack or threaten any livestock or people. But my dogs run free 24/7 and haven't been shot yet. I did lose one dog years ago when it started killing my neighbors chickens.
I agreed with him that it was the right thing to do.


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I have two mid-sized female mutts. They run free on my property. They bark at intruders or strangers coming up the driveway. They do not bite but do make a lot of racket. Which is good. Being neutered females they don't range very far which is also good. I tried with a male beagle/lab cross when I first got here but he kept wandering off. Eventually he took up residence at a neighbor's house. They were glad to have him and I was glad to be rid of his unfaithful ass. 2 years later and he is still there, a happy member of that neighbor's 'pack'. I'd rather that he be happy and free than be chained to a post in my yard, which is what it would have taken to keep him here.

I have the 3 S policy when it comes to dogs on my property... IE if they threaten my livestock or my family its curtains for them. Same rules apply for my dogs as well. Those are canine capitol offenses I don't care who they belong to.

On that note, I expect the same from my neighbors. That's just the way it is here and it doesn't bother me a bit.

IMHO, my dogs enjoy a better quality of life than suburban dogs that are always in a house, chained up, or fenced in. If my dogs smell a rabbit in the woods they go after it if they want. They swim in the creek when they want.

They have a degree of freedom and they seem to be well adjusted and happy. With that freedom though comes a certain risk that their lives will end prematurely due to contact with moving cars, chasing the neighbor's cattle, or some other hazard. As far as I am concerned quality trumps quantity.

Some of my relatives heartily disapprove of my philosophy, believing me to be irresponsible in 'exposing the dogs to hazards'. Like the way I treat my dogs is somehow cruel. WTF?

Those relatives love their pure bred inbred high-strung wimp dogs that can't eat anything but special food and can't go outside because they will run away or are too stupid to handle not being leashed. No thanks. Not my cup o' tea w/regard to a dog. I want a companion/watchdog, not another infant.

My dogs are not OC or hyperactive and disobedient like the urban dogs I have met or many of those on the dog whisperer show. I think the bad behavior is a direct consequence of close confinement (not natural) and owners who don't understand that dogs need an alpha. That show cracks me up when I see a people let a small dog be the alpha in their home.

My dogs also know the pecking order in our 'pack' and they seem happy about it. They could run away any time they want but they don't. That may have something to do with the fact that I feed them, perform all the required maintenance per the vet's schedule, and even pet them/play with them occasionally. I don't know. :) They are low maintenance though and I really like that.

Leash laws are a necessity in crowded areas unfortunately. I used to hate when I mountain biked in state parks and some ill-behaved unrestrained dog on the trail would chase or ambush me while I was riding. When I took my dogs hiking one time here, I did leash them both. I didn't know how they would react to other people and dogs on the trail and didn't want to take chances or be the guy who's dogs wouldn't mind him. We all know THAT guy!

Mattduke, you did the right thing even though it sucked. Seems like no matter how far you go, there is always some guy with a badge and John Wayne complex waiting to ruin your day. Even if it was for the right reason and even if you knew your dog to be well-behaved.

It all relates to population density. The more densely populated an area is , the less personal freedoms one can have in that area.

I feel for you.
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 15:26:25

I was watching Dog Whisperer the other day, and he said something that stuck in my head. He said "neurotic people have neurotic dogs." I've raised mine from a pup, and though she isn't "trained," she is very well behaved. So I guess that's proof I can't be too neurotic or my dog would have "issues."
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 23:55:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') was watching Dog Whisperer the other day, and he said something that stuck in my head. He said "neurotic people have neurotic dogs." I've raised mine from a pup, and though she isn't "trained," she is very well behaved. So I guess that's proof I can't be too neurotic or my dog would have "issues."

Yep. As I said, 'dog issues' are in fact generally 'owner issues'. You can learn a lot about an owner by observing their dog's behavior (mate seekers take note!)... :wink:
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Re: Took My Pet Down By The River This Weekend

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 03:23:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ut in the country we shoot dogs if they attack or threaten any livestock or people. But my dogs run free 24/7 and haven't been shot yet. I did lose one dog years ago when it started killing my neighbors chickens.
I agreed with him that it was the right thing to do.


+1

I have two mid-sized female mutts. They run free on my property. They bark at intruders or strangers coming up the driveway. They do not bite but do make a lot of racket. Which is good. Being neutered females they don't range very far which is also good. I tried with a male beagle/lab cross when I first got here but he kept wandering off. Eventually he took up residence at a neighbor's house. They were glad to have him and I was glad to be rid of his unfaithful ass. 2 years later and he is still there, a happy member of that neighbor's 'pack'. I'd rather that he be happy and free than be chained to a post in my yard, which is what it would have taken to keep him here.

I have the 3 S policy when it comes to dogs on my property... IE if they threaten my livestock or my family its curtains for them. Same rules apply for my dogs as well. Those are canine capitol offenses I don't care who they belong to.

On that note, I expect the same from my neighbors. That's just the way it is here and it doesn't bother me a bit.

IMHO, my dogs enjoy a better quality of life than suburban dogs that are always in a house, chained up, or fenced in. If my dogs smell a rabbit in the woods they go after it if they want. They swim in the creek when they want.

They have a degree of freedom and they seem to be well adjusted and happy. With that freedom though comes a certain risk that their lives will end prematurely due to contact with moving cars, chasing the neighbor's cattle, or some other hazard. As far as I am concerned quality trumps quantity.

Some of my relatives heartily disapprove of my philosophy, believing me to be irresponsible in 'exposing the dogs to hazards'. Like the way I treat my dogs is somehow cruel. WTF?

Those relatives love their pure bred inbred high-strung wimp dogs that can't eat anything but special food and can't go outside because they will run away or are too stupid to handle not being leashed. No thanks. Not my cup o' tea w/regard to a dog. I want a companion/watchdog, not another infant.

My dogs are not OC or hyperactive and disobedient like the urban dogs I have met or many of those on the dog whisperer show. I think the bad behavior is a direct consequence of close confinement (not natural) and owners who don't understand that dogs need an alpha. That show cracks me up when I see a people let a small dog be the alpha in their home.

My dogs also know the pecking order in our 'pack' and they seem happy about it. They could run away any time they want but they don't. That may have something to do with the fact that I feed them, perform all the required maintenance per the vet's schedule, and even pet them/play with them occasionally. I don't know. :) They are low maintenance though and I really like that.

Leash laws are a necessity in crowded areas unfortunately. I used to hate when I mountain biked in state parks and some ill-behaved unrestrained dog on the trail would chase or ambush me while I was riding. When I took my dogs hiking one time here, I did leash them both. I didn't know how they would react to other people and dogs on the trail and didn't want to take chances or be the guy who's dogs wouldn't mind him. We all know THAT guy!

Mattduke, you did the right thing even though it sucked. Seems like no matter how far you go, there is always some guy with a badge and John Wayne complex waiting to ruin your day. Even if it was for the right reason and even if you knew your dog to be well-behaved.

It all relates to population density. The more densely populated an area is , the less personal freedoms one can have in that area.

I feel for you.



great post, just curious--does somebody pays you to write here?
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