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Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 16:03:38

I seen one of these today at a stop light while on my bike. I asked the guy if he heard of Peak Oil.

He said 'what are you talking about'.
I said 'Peak Oil, dude'.

He said, what does 'Peak Oil mean'?
I shouted, 'when we start running out of gas, man'.

Anyhoo, here's the ride! :lol: http://www.zenncars.com/
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Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 19:15:24

You just found out about those guys now? I'd say you're the one who doesn't know a lot about peak oil. Too busy with Nibiru and creationism.
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Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 19:22:00

How well does it hold up to getting hit by another car?

Given the traffic of most cities, how well does it perform getting into traffic without getting hit?

How many people want to kick your ass when they see you in it?

After driving this car, can you still believe you have testicles, or do you now carry a purse?



Those are the typical questions that goes through most mens minds that will keep them from getting this vehicle.
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Unread postby green_achers » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 21:42:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
')...How many people want to kick your ass when they see you in it? ...

Those are the typical questions that goes through most mens minds that will keep them from getting this vehicle.

I think the rifle rack will take care of that one...
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 08:36:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou just found out about those guys now? I'd say you're the one who doesn't know a lot about peak oil. Too busy with Nibiru and creationism.


FYI: Bike = bicycle. :roll:
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Unread postby Kristen » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 12:47:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou just found out about those guys now? I'd say you're the one who doesn't know a lot about peak oil. Too busy with Nibiru and creationism.


You leave the Minnesota chsmp be. Anyone with as much contribution as our friend V-M has done obviously has read much about the topic.
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 13:38:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]How to raise your ZENN NEV's speed limit to 35 - but check the caveats

by Sebastian Blanco on Oct 30th 2007

Almost all NEVs in the U.S. are limited by law (and thus by a setting in the car) to 25 mph. In some areas - Montana, for example - the laws are being changed so that these little commuter cars can go 35 mph.

... snip ...


25 mph is Un-American, and jest plain unnatural.
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby Prince » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 13:46:52

I saw one of these in my local gym parking lot the other day, but I question the practicality.

$20k for a car that tops out at 25 mph? No thanks.
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby deMolay » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 13:59:08

Junk. The only thing drivers get out of this car, is the same warm fuzzy feeling they get when they piss themselves in a wool suit. And no one notices.
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 14:00:40

I think that we are so addicted to cars that we will need symbolic ones as a transition to the new age of scarce and expensive energy.
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 15:10:52

My car is an extension of my penis, and I refuse to let people see me in something that will give people doubts about my masculinity. :)
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Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 18:07:05

Someone with basic mechanics skills and a high school education could build a much better electric car for half of the cost, that is perfectly adequate for the highway and may even get 60-80 miles range depending on choice of donor chassis.
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Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 19:23:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'S')omeone with basic mechanics skills and a high school education could build a much better electric car for half of the cost, that is perfectly adequate for the highway and may even get 60-80 miles range depending on choice of donor chassis.



but could they have designed the body? 75 - 90% of the cost / value of a car, is its appearance.

I know I can build an electric car, but it would look like some sort of soap box derby pile of shit.
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Unread postby lper100km » Sun 21 Jun 2009, 21:04:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '
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25 mph is Un-American, and jest plain unnatural.

I have shuffled the bones, swilled the tea leaves, contemplated my navel and pronounce unequivocally that at some future point in time, the ability to travel at 25mph other than on horseback, will be acclaimed as a miracle. It will indeed be considered as unnatural.
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Re: Zenn Motor Compay

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Mon 22 Jun 2009, 19:18:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
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but could they have designed the body? 75 - 90% of the cost / value of a car, is its appearance.

I know I can build an electric car, but it would look like some sort of soap box derby pile of shit.


I meant converting an existing chassis to electric, not building the chassis from scratch. If it's scratch-built, and you want to actually have aspects of it be functional(eg. body designed for aerodynamics), you will need some engineering background, although not necessarily a slip of paper that says you can do it.

Opel GTs, Datsun 1200s, Geo Metros, Triumph Spitfires/GT6s, Honda CRXs, Fiat 600s, and other lightwight/reasonably aerodynamic cars make the best choices for conversion, IMO, due to relatively low cost for an example in good condition(especially if you find one with a broken engine), low weight, good aerodynamics, and a reasonable amount of battery room.

Of course, there are people who have built electric pickup trucks using ordinary lead acid batteries that get 120 miles range on the highway at 65 mph and top over 80 mph; they simply cost a little more to build(~$15k). If the parts were produced in the same volume as aftermarket parts sold for popular models of gasoline autos, EVs would cost perhaps half as much in parts to build; many of the items such as chargers and controllers are often assembled at least in part by hand making them cost 2-3 times as much as they should(PFC chargers, Zilla controllers, Belktronix controller/charger/dc-dc systems, ect.)

Unless Zenn gets to market a highway capable car, they will remain a minor player, IMO.

The Sunn EV has a much better chance of mainstream success if we have a SHTF scenario, due to its integrated solar panel(no plug needed if it got down to it, although you may not get much range per day spent in the sun) and lower cost.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have shuffled the bones, swilled the tea leaves, contemplated my navel and pronounce unequivocally that at some future point in time, the ability to travel at 25mph other than on horseback, will be acclaimed as a miracle. It will indeed be considered as unnatural.


I exceed that speed on a bicycle regularly. Of course, this is on paved roads, which may not be around in a few decades depending on how things go.
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