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Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design: Who's Right?

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:19:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')od wiped out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation? Or a meteor changed the environment that then gave rise to mammals which lead to us?


You talk as if God is some kind of phyisical being. :P

As if Ra & Seth were too. :lol:
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:21:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ')
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o one, even God, can see the future, nor anticipate it to the degree required..


I disagree with this entirely. No one bound within the frame of our space-time can see the future. God is not so bound.


I rest my case. It then follows then no living thing has any free will or thoughts or actions.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:23:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')od wiped out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation? Or a meteor changed the environment that then gave rise to mammals which lead to us?


You talk as if God is some kind of phyisical being. :P

As if Ra & Seth were too. :lol:



You avoided the question. Did your God wipe out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:28:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')od wiped out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation? Or a meteor changed the environment that then gave rise to mammals which lead to us?


You talk as if God is some kind of phyisical being. :P

As if Ra & Seth were too. :lol:



You avoided the question. Did your God wipe out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation?


You still are looking at God through the eyes of a child.

You view evolution as a linear process of time.

Google Kali Yuga Cycles. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:29:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')I rest my case. It then follows then no living thing has any free will or thoughts or actions.
There is no purpose in life. It's all a script.


That explains why your posts are often so repetitive and boiler-plate-ish.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:32:10

The thing that just amazes me about ID is that it is such a juvenile conception of God. To me evolution is far more compatible with the sort of thing a creative metaphysical being would do than ID. Who is this omnipotent eternal being that can't come up with a more creative way to build a universe than to draw out blueprints and then model each animal out of clay. It seems to me that ID isn't so much about defending god as about trying to make god dull and unimaginative. Any creative deity would be far more interested in casting out possibilities and seeing what develops rather than laboriously modeling out every feature. It takes God out of the realm of wonder and imagination and puts him in the position of a banal engineer fascinated with his own creation.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:36:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Any creative deity would be far more interested in casting out possibilities and seeing what develops rather than laboriously modeling out every feature. It takes God out of the realm of wonder and imagination and puts him in the position of a banal engineer fascinated with his own creation.



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Get it? NO. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 13:08:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', '
')- Where did Cain get his wife? He either married his sister, or he married the daughter of one of the proto-humans who frequented the Eurasian steppes during that time




Now this is interesting. Proto-humans huh? Is this an euphemism for goyim or something? Where does the bible mention proto-humans, please elaborate.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 13:45:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')et it? NO. :)


I get it. Sort of like designing a robot and then yelling when it decides to burn your toast. I mean seriously. Free will isn't exactly free will if you're going to damn your creation to eternal torture for the slightest infraction of your rules. It still demands a ridiculously insecure God who feels the need to control the form, function, and actions of everything.

The Genesis story (and the Bible in general) casts God as an overachieving control freak parent prone to fits of violence. "Though shalt have no other Gods before me" i.e. "If you like Billy's parents so much, why don't you just go live with them!"
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 13:51:51

Troll thread of the day?? Do we have a winner?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:15:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')et it? NO. :)


I get it. Sort of like designing a robot and then yelling when it decides to burn your toast. I mean seriously. Free will isn't exactly free will if you're going to damn your creation to eternal torture for the slightest infraction of your rules. It still demands a ridiculously insecure God who feels the need to control the form, function, and actions of everything.

The Genesis story (and the Bible in general) casts God as an overachieving control freak parent prone to fits of violence. "Though shalt have no other Gods before me" i.e. "If you like Billy's parents so much, why don't you just go live with them!"


What do you think about the Ten Commandments?

Look what our 'free will' is doing to the Planet. :)

If we do not return to our 'source' the human race is doomed.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:27:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')hat do you think about the Ten Commandments?


My thoughts on the Ten Commandments are in keeping with George Carlin's: link

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ook what our 'free will' is doing to the Planet. :)

Not free will. God said to multiply and rape the planet. People are procreating for Jesus.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we do not return to our 'source' the human race is doomed.


No argument there. Just not sure that Yahweh is a very good source to be looking to.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 16:33:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')hat do you think about the Ten Commandments?


My thoughts on the Ten Commandments are in keeping with George Carlin's: link

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ook what our 'free will' is doing to the Planet. :)

Not free will. God said to multiply and rape the planet. People are procreating for Jesus.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we do not return to our 'source' the human race is doomed.


No argument there. Just not sure that Yahweh is a very good source to be looking to.


I'm not all hung up on this Jesus stuff. Also, I view the Bible as one of many sacred texts, not the only one, that's for sure. I'm far away from being a Bible thumper. :P

I think this guy has some great ideas: John Anthony West
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby lonewolf » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 17:41:11

Without 'benefit' of having read this thread, IF one can actually ask this question and not immediately fall down laughing, then they are a FKN Moron.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 18:10:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lonewolf', 'W')ithout 'benefit' of having read this thread, IF one can actually ask this question and not immediately fall down laughing, then they are a FKN Moron.


So help me with what you are saying?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby lonewolf » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 19:35:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lonewolf', 'W')ithout 'benefit' of having read this thread, IF one can actually ask this question and not immediately fall down laughing, then they are a FKN Moron.


So help me with what you are saying?


Fortunately, I must decline. I'm not licensed to practice Psychiatry in any State or nation, ntm remotely.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 19:41:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ') You avoided the question. Did your God wipe out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation?


You still are looking at God through the eyes of a child. [/quote]

Do you not understand the question? Without the meteror impact, the animals you see today would not exist.

So, did God wipe out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 19:44:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')I rest my case. It then follows then no living thing has any free will or thoughts or actions.
There is no purpose in life. It's all a script.


That explains why your posts are often so repetitive and boiler-plate-ish.



Evolution is a result of chance. Things change in response to change. Simple as that.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 19:51:23

Our origins are not from 'Creationism' as we think of it nor from Darwins 'Theory of Evolution'. :)

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 19:54:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you not understand the question? Without the meteror impact, the animals you see today would not exist.

So, did God wipe out the dinosaurs with a meteor so he could redesign creation?


It was a cosmic event.
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