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Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design: Who's Right?

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby HeckuvaJob » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 13:31:33

I've always wondered how people who don't believe in evolution explain antibiotic resistance.

Intelligent infections?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby AgentR » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 14:25:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeckuvaJob', 'I')'ve always wondered how people who don't believe in evolution explain antibiotic resistance.


I suspect they utilize the "wrath of God" argument.

I do wonder about the phrase we often casually use though... "... believe in evolution". Is that a very good way to put it; if a better theory concerning the origin of life came along, would we reject it, because we "believe in evolution". (seemingly unlikely to be sure, more philosophical here).

How to describe, "I accept evolution as the most reasonable, useful, and accurate explanation for the origin of species, diversification, and adaptation" without implying an emotional or ideological attachment to the concept. I believe in evolution, about like I believe in ohms law or the theory of general relativity. They are useful in that they help me understand how something works, or help me build something. There is no spiritual or emotional consequence to discarding an old one, and taking up a new one.

Sorta like people and planets maybe? How many people are absolutely, emotionally attached to there being nine planets, and Pluto better dang well be one of them. Is it of emotional consequence if we do something sane like put rocky ones in category A, and big fluffy ones in B, and little ones close in C, and little ones way-way out in D? Or maybe just tolerate the 8 more historical bodies in a relic of a category, and save Pluto from being a nothing name in a list, to a real object, with real characteristics in a category that includes quite a few other similar objects?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:06:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.

No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.


So, who's right?

What's the truth. :)



Asked and answered. :roll:
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:09:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.

No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.



This ain't random.


No, and it has little to do with random genetic mutations that promote survival and reproduction.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:14:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'W')ho has 58 minutes to watch another pointless debate on a subject like this?



ppl taht want to learn something. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:15:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.

No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.


So, who's right?

What's the truth. :)



Asked and answered. :roll:


The problem is you are misguided and incorrect. :-D
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:21:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.
No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.


Sure it can. You just don't like the implications.


I think you need to read a bit about how this all works.

As the environment changes, species that have randomly mututated genes ( in other words, genetic defects) that promote survival and reproduction, over time, give rise to new species. They evolve in response to a changing environment.

The implication you suggest, is impossible. You cannot design random genetic changes for a randomly changing environment to achieve an end result or design.

The best you could have is an intelligent start.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:25:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ') The problem is you are misguided and incorrect. :-D


Misguided? Please correct my errors.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:30:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ') The problem is you are misguided and incorrect. :-D


Misguided? Please correct my errors.



How can I change someones Faith? :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:36:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ') The problem is you are misguided and incorrect. :-D


Misguided? Please correct my errors.



How can I change someones Faith? :)


By blinding them to science and reality.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:41:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ') The problem is you are misguided and incorrect. :-D


Misguided? Please correct my errors.



How can I change someones Faith? :)


By blinding them to science and reality.


Good start. :)

Tell me how the Solar and Lunar principles affect your day. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:43:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ')Tell me how the Solar and Lunar principles affect your day. :)



My Saturn is in retrograde so I don't have to concern myself with those principles. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 19:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', ' ')Tell me how the Solar and Lunar principles affect your day. :)



My Saturn is in retrograde so I don't have to concern myself with those principles. :)


Funny how 'we' see at night with our eyes closed, eh? :P

How could this bee! :mrgreen:
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby Pretorian » Wed 17 Jun 2009, 19:33:10

Here we go again with vision-master and his fear of knocking his hooves off.

I told you already VM there are wont be any cloud-hopping with Jesus or inter-stellat travels with little green man.
Better go to Napa vallley, CA and get yourself some mud baths. It'll help you to get used to the soil.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby vision-master » Wed 17 Jun 2009, 19:37:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'H')ere we go again with vision-master and his fear of knocking his hooves off.

I told you already VM there are wont be any cloud-hopping with Jesus or inter-stellat travels with little green man.
Better go to Napa vallley, CA and get yourself some mud baths. It'll help you to get used to the soil.


Where did Jesus enter the picture?

Then you bring up aliens? WTF. :P

Funny how we are buried underground but ascend into heaven, eh? :lol:

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby HeckuvaJob » Wed 17 Jun 2009, 19:40:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'I') suspect they utilize the "wrath of God" argument.

Good point. I was trying to think of scientific arguments they might use... totally missing the trees for the intelligently designed forest.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'S')orta like people and planets maybe? How many people are absolutely, emotionally attached to there being nine planets, and Pluto better dang well be one of them. Is it of emotional consequence...

There is a book by Neil deGrasse Tyson, The Pluto Files: The Rise and Fall of America's Favorite Planet that deals with this. It includes copies of hate mail he received from third graders! :lol:
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby OutOfGas » Wed 17 Jun 2009, 19:42:59

Evolution has so many scientific holes that it must be a relgion to be believed.

Intelligent design makes more sence.

Nothing comes from nothing.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby mos6507 » Wed 17 Jun 2009, 21:23:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OutOfGas', 'E')volution has so many scientific holes that it must be a relgion to be believed.


The link, they would say, until now, is missing. Well, it is no longer missing.

Revealing the link


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This is it, folks. This is where we broke off from these sorts of guys.

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Postby MonteQuest » Wed 17 Jun 2009, 21:32:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OutOfGas', 'E')volution has so many scientific holes that it must be a relgion to be believed.

Intelligent design makes more sence.

Nothing comes from nothing.



How do you design randomness to achieve a design?

Design by roulette wheel of chance?
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