[dohboi]

Is a vast new source of energy a good thing to put in the hands of modern industrial society? Have we done wonderful things for the planet and ourselves with the energy we have tapped already?

If this is not the time to ask such deeper questions, I'm not sure what would be.

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'I')s a vast new source of energy a good thing to put in the hands of modern industrial society? Have we done wonderful things for the planet and ourselves with the energy we have tapped already?

If this is not the time to ask such deeper questions, I'm not sure what would be.

[dohboi]

"Then you are just like pstarr."

Why, thank you. A higher complement I can scarcely imagine.

I see you chose not to attempt an answer to even one of my question. I understand your fear. They rock your world view too deeply for you to even try to comprehend them. Best wishes with that.

[Maddog78]

Pay attention, he answered your question.
Clean burning NG is a good thing to put in the hands of modern industrial society.

[dohboi]

It may be better than coal or oil from the global warming perspective, but even if it had no global warming consequences, it would further facilitate the rape of the planet that was going on long before gw became a clear and present danger.

Most biologists recognized that humans had started the sixth great extinction event since the beginning of complex life back in the '80's before the effects of gw had really started kicking in. Are we going to do any better this time.

Expecting new results from unchanged conditions is one good definition of insanity.

[Maddog78]

Wow.
I got no reply to that.
OF2 is right, some of you guys can just about taste the doom and don't want to eat anything else.

[dohboi]

Yeah, we are probably talking past each other here.

But just out of curiosity, which part of my post elicited the "Wow"? Have you not heard that we are in the sixth great extinction event, this one cause by us--we're at something like 10,000 times above the background rates of extinction? Wiki it if you want more info.

If not this, then do you think that somehow our use of the power that fossil fuels supplies us had nothing to do with our ability to so massively affect the living systems on the planet?

Where did I really lose you?

[Maddog78]

Yeah, you got me on that sixth event deal.
Rape of the planet before any signs of GW kind of threw me, too.
I grew up in an oil, mining, farming and forestry area so what you probably call rape of the planet we called earning a living.
I'll look into this sixth event thing.

[dohboi]

"I grew up in an oil, mining, farming and forestry area so what you probably call rape of the planet we called earning a living"

No, I actually think that consumers that are oblivious about where the stuff they use come from are more culpable than the folks that do the hard work of getting it for them.

The lowest rungs of moral hell I preserve for economists, but few of us are many rungs higher.

[dohboi]

(double post)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'H')ave you read the article OF? It says this--"Last Friday, the United States Geological Survey (USGS) announced the discovery of suitable conditions for mining methane hydrates . . It said nothing about commercial exploitation. Which was my latest point. You other articles make it very clear that such mining technologies do not exist.

You just lied. It has not been done.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')o you really take yourself seriously Oily?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '1')0:1? Come on Oily. The stuff has never been commercially extracted, much less measured.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'T')he fact that you would say something like that tells me you know absolutely nothing about growth management. Or urban planning, for that matter.