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THE WWII Thread (merged)

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Who deserves most credit for winning WWII?

Russia, because it singlehandedly destroyed Hitler and the Third Reich, sacrificing 26 million Russians in the process
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The local Resistance movements in France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, etc... for their enormous courage in sabotaging the Nazi war machine locally
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The former 'colonial subjects', because even though they were still being oppressed by the Western world, they fought in a war that was least of all theirs; colonial subjects from North Africa, Black Africa, India, Burma
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 20:33:14

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Lafayette! We are here..........and this is the last time, DO YOU HEAR ME LAFAYETTE!!!!.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 23:52:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'W')ell, its about time-- the loose ends should cleaned up before WWIII starts.

Gwynne Dyer has a theory that after every major conflict treaties and agreements are made.

But after decades, the real situation diverges from the situation envisaged by the treaties (eg. the UN "security Council").

Unfortunately, given human stupidity, the only way to resolve this is to have another major war and then make new treaties.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby americandream » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 03:40:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joe_Carlton', 'Y')ah a European landing was made this morning
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Oi,oi, oi. Aren't these the same muslims you used to defeat communism in Afghanistan capitalist fellow? Enjoy their company at your table!
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby waegari » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 06:42:38

One should not forget that extreme right parties are gaining ground in Europe (not just in my native country, the Netherlands). They are the true danger, not islam, or the small amount of muslims with islamist inclinations. The parties on the extreme right are the ones who might in the end gain government power. And as the crisis deepens, their chances keep being on the increase.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Munqi » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 10:13:20

Just how "extreme" are these right wing parties?


See, we have an "extreme" right wing party in Finland even though its actually a leftist party which is against humanitarian immigration. The word "far right" has completely lost its meaning because the leftists in Europe use it every chance they get. So if the other "extreme" right wing parties in Europe are anything like their Finnish counterpart im glad they are getting more votes.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Chuckmak » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 10:21:06

Wow y'all really know how to ruin a post fast. Sheesh!
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby spotacus » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 10:30:06

Their must be at least 20 people in that demonstration.

And why are people motivated to post their thoughts on current Batshit extremism on a thread to do with D-Day?
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 11:36:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spotacus', ' ')why are people motivated to post their thoughts on current Batshit extremism on a thread to do with D-Day?


I can see the association-----Many people in Europe feel like they are being invaded by illegal aliens.....and the aliens come by the boatload and make landings on the beaches of Greece, Italy and Spain like some kind of horrible illegal alien D-Day.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby spotacus » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 12:05:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spotacus', ' ')why are people motivated to post their thoughts on current Batshit extremism on a thread to do with D-Day?


I can see the association-----Many people in Europe feel like they are being invaded by illegal aliens.....and the aliens come by the boatload and make landings on the beaches of Greece, Italy and Spain like some kind of horrible illegal alien D-Day.


So are these people saying that these invaders should be machinegunned as they disembark like back in the good old days?
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morni

Unread postby waegari » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 12:20:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', 'J')ust how "extreme" are these right wing parties?

Well, for one: in Germany there's the NPD, which is known fo its nazi affiliations. They are on the rise in the east of Germany. I've studied those, I've met with people who have been harassed, and there's plenty of German websites to inform you on these idiots from a strictly non-partisan democratic view.

http://npd-blog.info/
http://www.mut-gegen-rechte-gewalt.de/
http://www.netz-gegen-nazis.de/

Latest news: Amazon does not want to have anything to do with the NPD anymore

Plenty of books on the NPD, by the way. Just give it a read, if you know any German, and then you will know.

Over here in the Netherlands we have the PVV, the Liberty Party. Only recently a leading party member found it very funny to suggest one tv journalist should have her nose broken, through violent action that is. Party leader Geert Wilders calls his party a posse. Just so you know. There's increasingly a suggestion of violence coming from those ranks. That doesn't seem very democratic to me.
This party is not even a party in the regular sense of the word: you cannot become a member there. They're all organised around their leader. Their Leader. You know. So there are no internal checks and balances there. Mr Wilders determines what's right and wrong. Which is one big difference with the NSDAP, of which one could at least become a member. Furthermore, social policies of this party are directed only at furthering the cause of law and order. Any social justice, if they had their say, would be abolished, any sort of subsidies would be. Now, this is even worse than the Nazi's. The nazi's at least built up a welfare state, though based on ravage and plunder.

The PVV are no fascists. They are worse than that in some respects. The one difference is: they could never start a war, because nobody would be very much impressed by the Dutch military.

The argument that calling some parties extreme right is some sort of leftist overreaction has been uttered in these parts so very often already, it's getting stale. Even our prime minister, who is a christian democrat, only yesterday said, it would be nigh to impossible to build a coalition with the PVV.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby americandream » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 17:36:57

Whats a bet these Far Right White fellow first parties will be voted in one day and doing deals with Arab oil Sheiks the next day.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby dorlomin » Sat 06 Jun 2009, 19:48:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'I') didn't know but apparently Japan and Russia have been at war since WW2.
Technically speaking I thougth that would have ended the state of war when Sovjet disintegrated but now Japan and Russsia are about the formallise peace agreement and if of course has some interesting consequences for US.

Without having seen any analysis on this my guess would be that they are clearing the air between themselves as they see they will need each other down the line. East Asia is a very active and fluid area right now. These two have been the dominant local powers their until quite recently, quietly clearing up the outstanding issues between them may be a sensible means of ensuring that they can act bilaterally quickly in the near future should anything come up.

I dont think their is any major issues for the US right now.

As for the Japanese millitary, they have a very powerful surface fleet. Probibly stronger than even the RN, but the RN and French have a major advantage over them in their SSN's.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby waegari » Sun 07 Jun 2009, 06:51:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hats a bet these Far Right White fellow first parties will be voted in one day and doing deals with Arab oil Sheiks the next day.


Yes, that's the one problem they'll be facing. But they just don't realise. Tellingly enough, the PVV is adamantly opposed to Turkey entering the EU. Yet, they do not seem to have a clue about the importance of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, especially as to the way its importance may develop in future. The EU might well be advised to have this pipeline within its borders...

Anyway, thanks for D-Day!!
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 07 Jun 2009, 10:17:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hats a bet these Far Right White fellow first parties will be voted in one day and doing deals with Arab oil Sheiks the next day.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('George Orwell', 'T')he creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Grautr » Sun 07 Jun 2009, 19:20:11

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090607/tu ... 23e80.html

British far right party get a Euro seat
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby americandream » Sun 07 Jun 2009, 19:39:38

The fly in the ointment of Europe's shift into a revival of Hitler's corporate socialist ideas (European nationalism) will be the Jews and Israel. I suspect that some arrangement will be reached to water down European nationalism or else face the prospect of pre-emptive strikes by Israel.

The other issue of course will be oiling the European standard of living which requires prodigious amounts of non-European oil. There as well I suspect European nationalism will be watered down to accommodate arrangements with non-European suppliers. And thus we will be back at square one and more disappointment as the rich continue to feather their nests.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby TheDude » Sun 07 Jun 2009, 19:51:56

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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Grautr » Mon 08 Jun 2009, 04:04:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he fly in the ointment of Europe's shift into a revival of Hitler's corporate socialist ideas (European nationalism) will be the Jews and Israel. I suspect that some arrangement will be reached to water down European nationalism or else face the prospect of pre-emptive strikes by Israel.

The other issue of course will be oiling the European standard of living which requires prodigious amounts of non-European oil. There as well I suspect European nationalism will be watered down to accommodate arrangements with non-European suppliers. And thus we will be back at square one and more disappointment as the rich continue to feather their nests.


It wont be about the Jews. This time the scapegoat will be the Muslims and Israel will be hand in hand with the EU.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby dorlomin » Mon 08 Jun 2009, 04:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he fly in the ointment of Europe's shift into a revival of Hitler's corporate socialist ideas (European nationalism) will be the Jews and Israel. I suspect that some arrangement will be reached to water down European nationalism or else face the prospect of pre-emptive strikes by Israel.

Boy are you a million miles from European politics. For a start the swing is largely an anti EU one, Eurosceptic parties have been doing well. Moreover it has been anti socialist, small government, free marketing parties in the EPP that have made the biggest gains.


And since your in your fantasy world allow me to remind you that the UK and France have SSBNs as nuclear deterrents.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby 35Kas » Mon 08 Jun 2009, 04:57:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..but the RN and French have a major advantage over them in their SSN's.


Well that is a technicality. Japan could, if it wanted to, build super high-tech military hardware and nuclear weaponry in a matter of months (for the nukes) and a few years for an established military industrial complex.

They haven't built SSN's, SSBN's, ICBM's and the SLBM's because they don't need to (American Military Aegis protects them as an ally) and because their people/culture have/has deep memories of what happens when you go down that path, going so far as having a law stating that japan can only have a military for self defense. The same applies to Germany.
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