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THE WWII Thread (merged)

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Who deserves most credit for winning WWII?

Russia, because it singlehandedly destroyed Hitler and the Third Reich, sacrificing 26 million Russians in the process
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The local Resistance movements in France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, etc... for their enormous courage in sabotaging the Nazi war machine locally
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The former 'colonial subjects', because even though they were still being oppressed by the Western world, they fought in a war that was least of all theirs; colonial subjects from North Africa, Black Africa, India, Burma
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Re: WW2 about the finally end.

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 25 May 2009, 19:48:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')MHO, Japan should be let loose to defend itself on its own without any WWII era restrictions. Enough already.
Better yet , it should be cut of any energy imports, like it was before it "attacked" Pearl Harbor

Yeah. And deny the Japanese access to metals too. That sort of peace move will calm them down.
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Re: WW2 about the finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 25 May 2009, 19:51:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'I') think the Nipps are seeing the writing of wall. That is why they are int eh alternative energy business...whale oil.

No seriously. An entire planet can enjoy oil age 5-10-15 years more if we throw Japan under the bus. They managed to keep 60 mln people on 17 centuary technology and without any imports, i dont see why they can't do the same now.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 25 May 2009, 19:58:06

Not a bad idea. I mean, Japan doesn't even have an effective military so what are they going to do about it? Whine to the UN... lol. In fact, we could cut off Germany and any other oil consuming nation with an emasculated military. Such thoughts will no doubt arise as time passes. We could call it 'demand destruction'.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Caffeine » Mon 25 May 2009, 20:05:58

Question: If the USD were to collapse (or at least be strongly devalued), what would be likely to happen in Japan?
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 25 May 2009, 20:14:57

Japan should pay for its own defenses. At the very least, they should send us a check or a couple hundred thousand free Toyota Prii (plural of Prius).

Japan is the world's second or third largest economy. The idea that they can mooch off of the United States for 60+ years is just absurd.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 26 May 2009, 00:20:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'J')apan should pay for its own defenses. At the very least, they should send us a check or a couple hundred thousand free Toyota Prii (plural of Prius).

Japan is the world's second or third largest economy. The idea that they can mooch off of the United States for 60+ years is just absurd.



No, the idea is that they will be under Uncle Sam's thumb, geopolitically speaking.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 26 May 2009, 00:27:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'N')ot a bad idea. I mean, Japan doesn't even have an effective military so what are they going to do about it? Whine to the UN... lol. In fact, we could cut off Germany and any other oil consuming nation with an emasculated military. Such thoughts will no doubt arise as time passes. We could call it 'demand destruction'.

Germany has many thousands of miles of unprotected land border. Can you imagine 100 million Germans with Turks, Arabs and whatever other filth they let inside of them running amock all over Europe and world?
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 26 May 2009, 02:01:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')No, the idea is that they will be under Uncle Sam's thumb, geopolitically speaking.


They don't seem that oppressed to me. Maybe Iraq and Afghanistan should learn to make cars and consumer electronics instead of bombs.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 26 May 2009, 03:19:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')No, the idea is that they will be under Uncle Sam's thumb, geopolitically speaking.


They don't seem that oppressed to me.


They arent oppressed individually but Japan is oppressed as a country, as a political entity. Did they make even 1 independent move since 1945? Their defence minister, born in Nagasaki , stated that nuclear bombings were necessary, for crying out loud, can you go any further than that?
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 26 May 2009, 04:32:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')They arent oppressed individually but Japan is oppressed as a country, as a political entity. Did they make even 1 independent move since 1945? Their defence minister, born in Nagasaki , stated that nuclear bombings were necessary, for crying out loud, can you go any further than that?


Figures in the government also won't admit the Nanking massacre. If you cherry pick anecdotes you can push whatever theory you want. Bottom line is Iraq and Afghanistan are sh*tholes and likely to remain so forever, whereas Japan laughed all the way to the bank after WWII by beating us at our own game (capitalism). The asian model then followed in turn by South Korea, and now (ironically enough) by China and Vietnam.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 26 May 2009, 13:49:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre#Contemporary_denialists_in_the_Japanese_government]Figures in the government also won't admit the Nanking massacre.[/url] If you cherry pick anecdotes you can push whatever theory you want. Bottom line is Iraq and Afghanistan are sh*tholes and likely to remain so forever, whereas Japan laughed all the way to the bank after WWII by beating us at our own game (capitalism). The asian model then followed in turn by South Korea, and now (ironically enough) by China and Vietnam.

Is it a suggestion that admitting Nanking massacre by Japan is essential for US foreign policy? Please. As long as US is run by Bernankes, Greenspans and alike , nothing will be as important as Halocoast being served for breakfast, dinner and supper.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 26 May 2009, 15:21:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
') Is it a suggestion that admitting Nanking massacre by Japan is essential for US foreign policy? Please. As long as US is run by Bernankes, Greenspans and alike , nothing will be as important as Halocoast being served for breakfast, dinner and supper.


Your agenda here is largely to find anything you can grab hold of to indict the united states of misdeed. Peakers using the US as a punching bag to take out their doomer frustrations is a popular passtime here at peakoil.com. Sometimes it's justified but in this case you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Japan started WWII with pearl harbor, they got beaten in perhaps the last war that had clear good guys and bad guys (unless you have a tinfoil hat). We let them keep their emperor. We spent a sh*tload of money rebuilding their country. We all eventually learned to be friends, strong trading partners, etc... Japan enjoyed great prosperity. The major issue with the US bases in Japan is the rape problem which has been documented. I actually support the US closing the bases over there, but not because I think the US is some kind of imperalist great satan that is maliciously oppressing the Japanese, but merely that the bases have outgrown their usefulness.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Ancient » Tue 26 May 2009, 19:27:23

If I may; what's up with Putin's timing?
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 27 May 2009, 13:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
') Is it a suggestion that admitting Nanking massacre by Japan is essential for US foreign policy? Please. As long as US is run by Bernankes, Greenspans and alike , nothing will be as important as Halocoast being served for breakfast, dinner and supper.


Your agenda here is largely to find anything you can grab hold of to indict the united states of misdeed.

you are way dumber than i thought, forgive me for being sincere . That is not my agenda in the slightest and in fact I find US government to be one of the best ghhm sorry-- one of the least bad that exist.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')Japan started WWII with pearl harbor


with what? I thought it was US who started its WWII by cutting Japan of 90% of its oil supply.

,$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')they got beaten in perhaps the last war that had clear good guys and bad guys (unless you have a tinfoil hat). We let them keep their emperor. We spent a sh*tload of money rebuilding their country.


Ok so you meet up this neighbour of yours at his doorsteps and start extrangulate him. He slaps your wrist. You : "Look what he has done!" You beat that guy so he cant get up and then you come to his home and throw a couple of grenades in the windows, killing off his family. Then you come in ( was too afraid originally of babies gnarling on your boots), fuck his wife, castrate the guy and take away all sharp objects out of the house. Once finished, you call cleaning and painting service and use his house as a barack for your boduguards.
And later, chitchatting with other neighbours: "You won't b e l i e v e the cost of the wallpaper overthere! Well, but at least we cleared who are good guys and who are bad guys . "
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 28 May 2009, 09:14:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')with what? I thought it was US who started its WWII by cutting Japan of 90% of its oil supply.


We're responsible for Hitler and the holocaust too, because of war reparations after WWI, right? Get real.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')Ok so you meet up this neighbour of yours at his doorsteps and start extrangulate him. He slaps your wrist. You : "Look what he has done!" You beat that guy so he cant get up and then you come to his home and throw a couple of grenades in the windows, killing off his family. Then you come in ( was too afraid originally of babies gnarling on your boots), fuck his wife, castrate the guy and take away all sharp objects out of the house. Once finished, you call cleaning and painting service and use his house as a barack for your boduguards.
And later, chitchatting with other neighbours: "You won't b e l i e v e the cost of the wallpaper overthere! Well, but at least we cleared who are good guys and who are bad guys . "


You don't know a thing about war. Alliances change. We fought two wars against the UK, and then fought two wars with them. Russia was our ally during WWII and then became our enemy. Even Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel. If every country held an infinite grudge with any country that once fought a war with them, humanity would be extinct already.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 28 May 2009, 15:29:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'w')ith what? I thought it was US who started its WWII by cutting Japan of 90% of its oil supply.

We're responsible for Hitler and the holocaust too, because of war reparations after WWI, right?
Why do jews answer a question with a question, especially if they don't know the answer? Is it a jewish thing?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')k so you meet up this neighbour of yours at his doorsteps and start extrangulate him. He slaps your wrist. You : "Look what he has done!" You beat that guy so he cant get up and then you come to his home and throw a couple of grenades in the windows, killing off his family. Then you come in ( was too afraid originally of babies gnarling on your boots), fuck his wife, castrate the guy and take away all sharp objects out of the house. Once finished, you call cleaning and painting service and use his house as a barack for your boduguards. And later, chitchatting with other neighbours: "You won't b e l i e v e the cost of the wallpaper overthere! Well, but at least we cleared who are good guys and who are bad guys . "
You don't know a thing about war. Alliances change. We fought two wars against the UK, and then fought two wars with them. Russia was our ally during WWII and then became our enemy. Even Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel. If every country held an infinite grudge with any country that once fought a war with them, humanity would be extinct already.

I may not know a thing about war, however it doesnt make my post incorrect.
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Re: WW2 about to finally end.

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 28 May 2009, 15:31:33

Well, its about time-- the loose ends should cleaned up before WWIII starts.
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WWII: People of Western Europe, a landing was made

Unread postby Chuckmak » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 13:23:53

65 years ago tomorrow the largest seaborne invasion ever in history occured...lets honor those who died in the D-Day invasion. WWII was IMO the last war we fought that actually meant something...enjoy, and reflect...on the "longest day"

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People of Western Europe. A landing was made this morning on the coast of France by troops of the Allied Expeditionary Force. This landing is part of the concerted United Nations’ plan for the liberation of Europe, made in conjunction with our great Russian allies.

I have this message for all of you. Although the initial assault may not have been made in your own country, the hour of your liberation is approaching.

All patriots, men and women, young and old, have a part to play in the achievement of final victory. To members of resistance movements, I say, “Follow the instructions you have received.” To patriots who are not members of organized resistance groups, I say, “Continue your passive resistance, but do not needlessly endanger your lives until I give you the signal to rise and strike the enemy. The day will come when I shall need your united strength.” Until that day, I call on you for the hard task of discipline and restraint.

Citizens of France! I am proud to have again under my command the gallant Forces of France. Fighting beside their Allies, they will play a worthy part in the liberation of their Homeland.

Because the initial landing has been made on the soil of your country, I repeat to you with even greater emphasis my message to the peoples of other occupied countries in Western Europe. Follow the instructions of your leaders. A premature uprising of all Frenchmen may prevent you from being of maximum help to your country in the critical hour. Be patient. Prepare!

As Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force, there is imposed on me the duty and responsibility of taking all measures necessary to the prosecution of the war. Prompt and willing obedience to the orders that I shall issue is essential.

Effective civil administration of France must be provided by Frenchmen. All persons must continue in their present duties unless otherwise instructed. Those who have made common cause with the enemy and so betrayed their country will be removed. As France is liberated from her oppressors, you yourselves will choose your representatives, and the government under which you wish to live.

In the course of this campaign for the final defeat of the enemy you may sustain further loss and damage. Tragic though they may be, they are part of the price of victory. I assure you that I shall do all in my power to mitigate your hardships. I know that I can count on your steadfastness now, no less than in the past. The heroic deeds of Frenchmen who have continued the struggle against the Nazis and their Vichy satellites, in France and throughout the French Empire, have been an example and an inspiration to all of us.

This landing is but the opening phase of the campaign in Western Europe. Great battles lie ahead. I call upon all who love freedom to stand with us. Keep your faith staunch - our arms are resolute - together we shall achieve victory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGTWOB3pv6U
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force! You are about to embark upon a great crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers in arms on other fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped and battle hardened, he will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man to man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our home fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to victory!

I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full victory!

Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessings of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Joe_Carlton » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 19:10:29

Yah a European landing was made this morning
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Re: People of Western Europe...a landing was made this morning..

Unread postby Joe_Carlton » Fri 05 Jun 2009, 19:26:30

Time to celebrate that European landing mfs
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