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Re: Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:37:58

The Sales Pitch of Fascism is now "Safety". The Patriot Act was sold as "Safety from Terrorists". Internet Censorship and Monitoring is about "Safety for Children".

Another one not mentioned so far is the GPS tracking of Cars. Have you noticed the Sales Job on the radio for the "On Star" system which automatically calls the cops if you are in an accident? Its all about the reassuring feeling of being "safe". Of course your cell phone GPS also keeps tabs on your whereabouts for the "authorities".

How did people manage all these years without Big Brother keeping them safe? I find it appalling that people just acquiesce to this and the bills get pushed through Congress one by one, turning the US into a Police State Joe Stalin couldn't even DREAM of.

It still remains possible to turn off your phone and drive an old car without the electronics chit chatting with the sattelites. Fortunately, it looks like the society is going to devolve to anarchy before the Goobermint has a chance to Implant everyone with a GPS chip at birth.

Love my laptop, but the Dark Side of technology is the way it is robbing us of our freedoms. For those who are into Power and Control, technology provides the window into everyone's life, utterly robbing us all of privacy. I welcome a return to the Stone Age over this existence.

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Re: Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 23 Feb 2009, 01:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police February 19, 2009 10:45 PM PST:
Republican politicians on Thursday called for a sweeping new federal law that would require all Internet providers and operators of millions of Wi-Fi access points, even hotels, local coffee shops, and home users, to keep records about users for two years to aid police investigations.
The legislation, which echoes a measure proposed by one of their Democratic colleagues three years ago, would impose unprecedented data retention requirements on a broad swath of Internet access providers and is certain to draw fire from businesses and privacy advocates.
"While the Internet has generated many positive changes in the way we communicate and do business, its limitless nature offers anonymity that has opened the door to criminals looking to harm innocent children," U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said at a press conference on Thursday. "Keeping our children safe requires cooperation on the local, state, federal, and family level." …
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The cool part, is how the post has already been deleted. Don't let people know how the government is help us
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Re: Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 23 Feb 2009, 08:44:24

By golly, it Has been deleted! I suppose that happening is a good reason to post a couple of pertinent paragraphs of a story with the link instead of just a link. :)
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Re: Bill proposes ISPs, Wi-Fi keep logs for police

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 23 Feb 2009, 09:18:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'B')y golly, it Has been deleted! I suppose that happening is a good reason to post a couple of pertinent paragraphs of a story with the link instead of just a link. :)


Why does that NOT surprise me? There is probably a government agency tasked with wiping out stuff that is critical of the gov, just like the corporations who scan stuff like wikipedia for stuff critical of them.
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Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 31 May 2009, 09:49:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Boston Police Department is preparing a plan to arm as many as 200 patrol officers with semiautomatic assault rifles, a significant boost in firepower that department leaders believe is necessary to counter terrorist threats, according to law enforcement officials briefed on the plan.

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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 31 May 2009, 09:52:20

Good.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Grautr » Sun 31 May 2009, 10:57:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Boston Police Department is preparing a plan to arm as many as 200 patrol officers with semiautomatic assault rifles, a significant boost in firepower that department leaders believe is necessary to counter terrorist threats, according to law enforcement officials briefed on the plan.

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I dont think they make very good police weopons. In many situations police need a close firearm and a pistol is good enough for that purpose. A shotgun for slightly tougher situations and house clearances. Sure rifles are handy in some situations but isnt calling in a SWAT team enough?

It all sounds more PR than practical.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 31 May 2009, 11:27:54

They want them to defeat body armor. The L.A. bank robery is still on everybody's mind. I have no problem with cops with m-16s as long as they don't come after mine.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 31 May 2009, 11:58:22

Come on Matt. You're quoting an article that refers a semi-auto rifle as an M16?

Arming them with M16's would obviously be a bad idea. Way to much possibility for stray bullets hitting the wrong person. A semi-auto AR15 seems fairly reasonable to have in the trunk.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 31 May 2009, 13:09:16

I think it's perfectly reasonable for police to carry AR-15s in their trunk, provided they received a good amount of training on their use and maintenance. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that they will need something like that in the line of duty.

However, all the police and emergency workers that I know personally do not know anything about semi-auto rifles, how they work, how to field strip them, and the best use for them (caliber, ammo, effective range, penetration, etc.). The only emergency services acquaintance of mine who does know anything about AR's is a recently-retired firefighter who was also a Vietnam vet.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 31 May 2009, 13:11:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'G')ood.


I know where you're coming from and I completely disagree with your position. You seem to think it's perfectly reasonable that ONLY the police and army have weapons, while the general public, including law-abiding citizens, cannot own them at all and are thus rendered defenseless to criminal activity. You've stated all these things at different times in the past. I completely disagree that law-abiding families should not be able to protect themselves.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:24:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'C')ome on Matt. You're quoting an article that refers a semi-auto rifle as an M16?

Arming them with M16's would obviously be a bad idea. Way to much possibility for stray bullets hitting the wrong person. A semi-auto AR15 seems fairly reasonable to have in the trunk.

I don't really know much about guns. I do know that the only people that have ever threatened to kill me with guns were police however.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:31:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'I') don't really know much about guns. I do know that the only people that have ever threatened to kill me with guns were police however.


Then why do you have a picture of one in your avatar?
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:38:09

Because that probably isn't the point?
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:43:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'I') don't really know much about guns. I do know that the only people that have ever threatened to kill me with guns were police however.


Then why do you have a picture of one in your avatar?

You haven't figured out my avatar yet?
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:45:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'Y')ou haven't figured out my avatar yet?


Guess not. Looks like a guy aiming a machine gun either at the ground or down from a rooftop.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 31 May 2009, 16:52:25

I think that's a Mosin Nagant. Probably a 91/30. If I was to guess, that's Stalin and possibly Castro.

Edit, I take that back. I can see a drum magazine there. It must be an RPK, but the bolt, stock and receiver really look like a Mosin Nagant.
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 31 May 2009, 17:26:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') can see a drum magazine there. It must be an RPK,


Yeah. It appears to have a drum magazine and a bipod. I figured it was some sort of SAW. So which one is Stalin?
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Re: Boston Police To Carry M16's

Unread postby Jotapay » Sun 31 May 2009, 18:03:00

The one with a raft of hair to embarrass a 20-year-old. :-) The one holding the rifle. I could be totally wrong, but that's who I thought it was.

It looks as though he is just reviewing the arm in front of those who will be using it, shouldering it to make a show of inspecting its effectiveness like many generals and leaders do.

I'll find out for sure, hang on. Gonna summon the power of teh internets.
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