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Re: Sotomayor nominated for SC - Stock up on Guns now.

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 27 May 2009, 03:56:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
')Kind of an odd choice. She has type I diabetes, smokes like a chiminy.....Odd choice because of the medical history, odds are she won't live long.


The main reason she was selected is because she is a "twofer", i.e. both a woman and a Hispanic. The Obamites signaled early on that they would only be considering a woman for this seat---and by appointing Sotomayor they send a sop to Hispanics and women at the same time.

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Oh come on Plant, you got your ROBERTS and ALITO (hack, cough, puke).. it's our turn now. :)
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Postby Plantagenet » Wed 27 May 2009, 19:29:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Oh come on Plant,,.. it's our turn now. :)


Of course it is. And the dems in the Senate have the votes, so there is no doubt Sotomayor will be confirmed.

I originally supported Obama in the last election out of hope that his election might help end the racial polarization in the U.S. I became opposed to Obama when his connection to the black racist Rev. Wright was revealed. Obama's nomination of Sotomayor is a step backward for race relations, IMHO, because of her judicial support for affirmative action for hispanics, blacks, asians, gays, women, native americans etc.

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IMHO, racial discrimination against any group purely on the basis of their skin color is unconstitutional....and that even includes discrimination against white males. Sotomayor famously endorsed discrimination against white males in the court ruling on the New Haven firefighter case....
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Postby Schmuto » Wed 27 May 2009, 20:39:38

This is my quote -

How can you pick out who to help with affirmative action if you're "color blind"?
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Postby dinopello » Wed 27 May 2009, 20:40:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Oh come on Plant,,.. it's our turn now. :)


Of course it is. And the dems in the Senate have the votes, so there is no doubt Sotomayor will be confirmed.


How many Republican votes do you think she gets in the full senate ?
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Postby Plantagenet » Wed 27 May 2009, 21:07:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'T')his is my quote -

How can you pick out who to help with affirmative action if you're "color blind"?


Affirmative action isn't about being color-blind.

Its about discriminating against white males (and sometimes against Asians) in order to provide more admissions slots in colleges, more jobs, more promotions and other opportunities to blacks and Hispanics and other favored racial groups and women.
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Postby efarmer » Wed 27 May 2009, 21:08:39

The founders were some exceptional people. Washington
could have followed the natural path of history at the end
of the revolutionary war and simply installed himself as
a strong man for life. The balance of these men, could
have taken advantage of being landed, well connected,
and wealthy and fashioned documents that made the
the head of the new American aristocracy, and peers
therefore with their European counterparts, but of course
they did not.


Instead they set up the framework for a lean federal government
and for strong and as highly individual and varied states as those
states wished to allow free elections to define them, with the caveat
that they did not violate the basic constructs of the Constitution as
decided when required by the Supreme Judiciary branch of the
federal government, or amended in the direction of perfection
by the Congress.

The forces that have bent this lean federal government of volunteers
as wielded by "volunteer for life" federal Congress persons and
Presidents who are unduly empowered by family name recognition
in an astounding bow to mimic the European monarch and aristocracy
would, I firmly believe, have made the founders puke if they had
lived to see it. This would be followed by sheer elation that their
work had carried so far and long in spite of the rampant abuse.

The forces that made the federal government into what it is now
are many, but they were all looking for a strong central hub that
they could influence to deliver them something they wanted.
Money, power, property, fame, or an aristocrat lifestyle.

In summary, I don't think partisan bickering fixes these things,
it just decides which way the gravy pours at the table in most
cases. Rats don't leave until the ship sinks. I think our founders
realized this and many other basic facts of human nature and
attempted, even beyond their own place in society and personal
gain, to build a system of small state ships with a lean federal
ship, knowing full well the rats would seek passage, but in the
hope their numbers would be limited by the size of the vessel.

Impossible long shot? Gradually moving our system back to it's
intended design plus the proven augmentations to the original
documents.

If I had to pretend to have the command of human nature the
founders quite obviously wielded in singular and group fashion?

Things this big and rotten consume all their power and sink in
storms. Use the original documents and fashion a new boat if
possible after allowing as many rats to drown as possible.

Very few of us want calamity, uncertainty, or indiscriminate
suffering of the populace, and we bump along, pick the
best of the worst for the very most we can obtain of the
least objectionable. This is how this big ship of fools was
wrought, incrementally, but it was not designed nor intended
to be that way.

May God Bless us all, and may we be as civil and fair to each
other as we possibly can. We are going to need it badly.

Lastly, I feel if you told the founders that we were locked
into a government that often mimics the demographics and
limitations of their age instead of following the demographics
and challenges of our own, (in essence as they designed
it to dynamically do in the first place) at least old Ben would
lift his leg and kick us right in our Constitutional ass.

I am tired of so called patriots who only are equipped with
wedges, they then decide if their course is to split things
apart to their advantage, or to stop as many wheels from
rolling as they can while hoping to obtain ransom for the
cargo those wheels convey. They even have the gall to
split apart was is functioning or could be made functional,
and blame the wreckage on others for income from the
tale told after the fact. I wish they would learn from their
wedges and split.
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Postby Cloud9 » Wed 27 May 2009, 21:31:55

Well written. If I were sober, I would comment, but I am not so I won't.
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Postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 28 May 2009, 07:36:13

WSJ Video: Have the Dems given up on the gun control debate?

5 minutes long. Basically argues that the Dems have folded. Other position proffered is that the evolution of the debate will be "nit picking" by the dems to harass gun owners. One person observes that one reason is that the dems lost is that we have less crime. It is also suggested that Americans have just realized that the law kept firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens but did nothing to deter criminals.
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Postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 28 May 2009, 07:39:49

"WSJ: The empathy nomoniee"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his isn't a jurisprudence that the Founders would recognize, but it is the creative view that has dominated the law schools since the 1970s and from which both the President and Judge Sotomayor emerged. In the President's now-famous word, judging should be shaped by "empathy" as much or more than by reason. In this sense, Judge Sotomayor would be a thoroughly modern Justice, one for whom the law is a voyage of personal identity.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter the three judge panel issued a brief opinion repeating the district court's decision, the appeals court declined to rehear the case en banc, an outcome which infuriated Ms. Sotomayor's colleague and fellow Clinton appointee Jose Cabranes. In a dissent joined by five of his colleagues, Judge Cabranes criticized the slip-shod handling of the case by a majority that lacked the courage of its racial preference convictions. The "perfunctory disposition" of the opinion, he noted, "lacks a clear statement of either the claims raised by the plaintiffs or the issues on appeal."

Judge Cabranes added that the discrimination issues raised by the case were "worthy of review" by the Supreme Court, which took the case and may well overturn the Sotomayor panel's ruling. The case raises the question of whether a judge with an avowed commitment to applying her own "experience" to cases was disinclined to an argument made by those not sharing that personal experience.

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Re: Sotomayor nominated for SC - Stock up on Guns now.

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 28 May 2009, 08:26:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Oh come on Plant,,.. it's our turn now. :)


Of course it is. And the dems in the Senate have the votes, so there is no doubt Sotomayor will be confirmed.

I originally supported Obama in the last election out of hope that his election might help end the racial polarization in the U.S. I became opposed to Obama when his connection to the black racist Rev. Wright was revealed. Obama's nomination of Sotomayor is a step backward for race relations, IMHO, because of her judicial support for affirmative action for hispanics, blacks, asians, gays, women, native americans etc.

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IMHO, racial discrimination against any group purely on the basis of their skin color is unconstitutional....and that even includes discrimination against white males. Sotomayor famously endorsed discrimination against white males in the court ruling on the New Haven firefighter case....


Affirmative action for Asians? Did I miss something? Isn't 1/4 of MIT student body Asian? Isn't average Asian per capita income and education level higher than whites in US?
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Postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 28 May 2009, 15:27:16

So Barry "the Bigot" selects another Bigot............... and this is somehow a surprise???

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Re: Sotomayor nominated for SC - Stock up on Guns now.

Postby Schmuto » Thu 28 May 2009, 15:43:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'T')his is my quote -

How can you pick out who to help with affirmative action if you're "color blind"?


Affirmative action isn't about being color-blind.

Its about discriminating against white males (and sometimes against Asians) in order to provide more admissions slots in colleges, more jobs, more promotions and other opportunities to blacks and Hispanics and other favored racial groups and women.


Dude, no sh-t. That's why my quote is so witty.
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Re: Sotomayor nominated for SC - Stock up on Guns now.

Postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 28 May 2009, 16:37:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'I')f you read Roe v. Wade and the constitutional amendment on which it was based, you'll have no doubt that they are, really, just creating law.


That's certainly true, but Roe has to be understood in context. There was bipartisan support for the concept of legalizing abortion and SCOTUS didn't anticipate at all that they were kicking over that kind of a hornets nest. The concept of a constitutional right to privacy originated with a probably even more sweeping ruling in Griswold v. Connecticut which caused virtually no political turmoil. Nobody from either party wanted to overturn Griswold and take away the right of married women to obtain birth control. It really wasn't till Ronny Regan discovered that there were votes to be had by pandering to the religious reich that abortion got turned into the political pinata that it is today. Abortion continues to be controversial in the US primarily because the two major parties get political mileage from playing volleyball with it. SCOTUS wasn't intending to make public policy with Roe as much as to make a policy change that everybody agreed to but nobody wanted to sign their name to, just like with Griswold. One of the fundamental problems with democracy is that politicians are cowards. Is it wrong then for SCOTUS to stand up and do the right thing? I dunno.

As for Sotomayor, seeing smarmy $&%*ing Charles Schumer fawning over her is all the reason I need to hate her.
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Postby Plantagenet » Thu 28 May 2009, 19:58:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Oh come on Plant,,.. it's our turn now. :)


Of course it is. And the dems in the Senate have the votes, so there is no doubt Sotomayor will be confirmed.

I originally supported Obama in the last election out of hope that his election might help end the racial polarization in the U.S. I became opposed to Obama when his connection to the black racist Rev. Wright was revealed. Obama's nomination of Sotomayor is a step backward for race relations, IMHO, because of her judicial support for affirmative action for hispanics, blacks, asians, gays, women, native americans etc.

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IMHO, racial discrimination against any group purely on the basis of their skin color is unconstitutional....and that even includes discrimination against white males. Sotomayor famously endorsed discrimination against white males in the court ruling on the New Haven firefighter case....


Affirmative action for Asians? Did I miss something? Isn't 1/4 of MIT student body Asian? Isn't average Asian per capita income and education level higher than whites in US?


Ahh.....you are thinking logically. But racism and affirmative action is based on emotion and empathy and is awarded entirely on the basis of skin color and ethnic heritage, not rationality.

I don't like affirmative action. I think its racism.

Sotomayor has so much empathy that she ruled that whites can be skipped over for promotions even when they score the highest on tests, just because they are white. Thats what "empathy" means to her.....empathy is discriminating against whites in favor of people of color. And yes...some Asians receive affirmative action---Filipinos were removed from the federal list of "protected groups" but still are sometimes favored by state and locals government, sometimes not. Many Filipinos have Hispanic surnames, so they receive preference on that basis. Hmong and Samoans also sometimes receive racial preference. Pakistanis and people from India lobby for it in Congress---they would also like affirmative action.......Sotomayor has already shown that she thinks skin color is enough of a reason for government to discriminate, as long as the racial discrimination is against white people and in favor of people like her. :roll:
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Postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 28 May 2009, 20:23:40

This is the only reason we can come up with to hate the woman? She's going to pick on white people? Poor things are having such a tough time in racist America and all. Maybe whites should start having sit ins at lunch counters or something so they can at least get lunch. :cry: :cry: [smilie=eusa_boohoo.gif]
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Postby efarmer » Thu 28 May 2009, 22:37:56

<sarcasm>

I think white discrimination has toned down a bunch over the
last few decades, but back in the day, there were restrooms,
and restaurants, and many other places that were actually
marked "Whites Only", and all the other people were free
to come and visit all the other ones as they wished. This
created a lot of panic among the whites I imagine, in fact
even now, when out in public, many white women I know will
ask one or more other white women to go to the restroom
with them instead of going alone, which proves how long
fear can linger after the threat is removed.

<back to standard rag chewing>

Progress in such matters is a slow process and takes
generations since most of us carry our prejudices to
the grave, although it often gets feebler along with
our other faculties. If our prejudices weren't such
dependable sources of free energy, politicians
would have to actually work for votes instead of
scare them up.

What I most lament about the prospect of energy abuse
and waste defaulting into possible chaos and hard labor
is that women get the raw end of reality at an increased
rate during such times and conditions. I would like to see
women take their place in our form of government in time
to see what their contribution is capable of, before we
get to the point where we scrotum toters game the thing
so bad it is back to the law of the jungle, and we will of
course by nature be in the drivers seat to trash the
jungle as well. If women hadn't learned that thing where
they sternly call you by your first , middle, and last name,
when calling you out, they might have not even made it
to this place in time.

We have to attempt to do better than we have done and build
on from what we have gotten right to date, not attempt to pick our
favorite "golden age" of the past and make the sequel.
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Postby Plantagenet » Fri 29 May 2009, 02:31:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '.'). She's going to pick on white people...


Sotomayor ruled that white fire-fighters should be denied promotions solely on the basis of their skin color.

Personally, I think its unconstitutional to discriminate against people on the basis of their skin color---tell me, SPG, what does someone's skin color have to do with how good a fire-fighter they are?
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Postby Sixstrings » Fri 29 May 2009, 03:37:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Oh come on Plant,,.. it's our turn now. :)


Of course it is. And the dems in the Senate have the votes, so there is no doubt Sotomayor will be confirmed.

I originally supported Obama in the last election out of hope that his election might help end the racial polarization in the U.S. I became opposed to Obama when his connection to the black racist Rev. Wright was revealed. Obama's nomination of Sotomayor is a step backward for race relations, IMHO, because of her judicial support for affirmative action for hispanics, blacks, asians, gays, women, native americans etc.

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Well, well, it's sure interesting to see white males so interested in civil rights all of the sudden. :roll:

I mean, this is the first Latino ever nominated to the Supreme Court and all of the sudden we're supposed to believe that a white man can't get a fair shake at getting on the Court? Hah!

Equality is a double-edged sword, Plant. Yes, the rise of women and minorities does mean less opportunity for white men. But the horse has left the barn man, you can't wind the clock back to 1867.

Ironically, when minorities become fully equal in terms of average income and education, they will take even more jobs and it will all be based on merit, no affirmative action required.

So you just have to get used to it.. this country is not all white and male. The pie must be shared.
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Postby Cloud9 » Fri 29 May 2009, 07:14:06

SPG here in lays the concern. This judge makes no pretense of following the law. For her, there are no bright line rules. Her decisions are based on her emotions rather than her reasoning. She does not like guns therefore; she has decided that none of us have the right to own a firearm. Personal likes and dislikes cannot be the bases for the rule of law. This young lady is dangerous to the republic. I can say that because I am a Latino.

We have an innate sense of fairness. When governments stray too far from that fairness, revolutions are born.

In Dred Scott, the court refused to secure the rights of Blacks. That failure ushered in the Civil War. Gutting the second amendment may do the same thing.

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Postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 29 May 2009, 08:03:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')he does not like guns therefore; she has decided that none of us have the right to own a firearm.


Did she? Because that's something I can get upset about. "She's gonna pick on white folks." just doesn't resonate for me much. With everything going on in the world, being discriminated against because I'm white just really isn't a big concern for me. Being killed by race based zombie gangs concerns me some, but anti-white discrimination in civil service really doesn't seem to me much of a legitimate fear.
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