[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'W')hat I have learned from talking to (anti free-marketers)

1) EVERYBODY agrees we do NOT live in a free-market economy.
Therefore if something bad happens, it will be blamed on the free-market.

2) The free-market is a system in which decisions are NOT made by government.
Therefore any decision made by government will be blamed on the free-market.

3) If someone proposes creating another government program to solve a problem created by a government program.
Then such person is called a supporter of the free-market.

4) If somebody is a Communist then they are a supporter of the free-market.

5) If somebody like to practice archery by shooting apples off the top of a people's heads and they accidentally miss,
then they are a supporter of the free-market.

[sparky]

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Pretty heavy confusion between Free Market and Capitalism

free market , to be perfect , assume an infinity of mobile sellers and an infinity of informed buyers
none of the parties subjected to compulsion

However it work even in very constricted circunstances , down to trade in kind

Capitalism is the use of investment Money as a tool to aquire the labor value of workers ,
changing the free exchange of their labor to one of compulsion

IE .....squezzing the bastards until blood come out or they revolt

This is not contrary to Stalinian communism either ,
then the state has the initial investment ressources and sure as hell had the compulsion


Since civilisation assume a specialisation of labor , some degree of exchange is nescessary
Hence , some free markets

There is some restrain put on trade for the same reason there is restrain put on
road use , for the well ordering of the process and the greater good for all
how much and to what amout of detail is the debate ..


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[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'C')apitalism enables/encourages votes to be bought.

[bodigami]

all bets are off, maik your own rules.

[americandream]

The Darwinian market...utterly unrestrained, complete with all its elitist imperfections and monopolistic outgrowths, is an absolute precursor to dialectic socialism. Nothing less will do and it is incumbent on all socialists to assist in the full spectrum domination of the market by those elites who have shown themselves worthy of its conquest.

Any calls for the regulatory inculcation of utopian Darwinism must be resisted!! Let Wall Street spread the siren call of capital to all corners of the globe.

[odegaard]

One man's ignorance is another man's profit.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', 'O')ne man's ignorance is another man's profit.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', 'O')ne man's ignorance is another man's profit.

[Quinny]

Public libraries in the UK worked like that. They determined book stocking policy by requests made. There are lots of ways that you can take money out of the political and even the market process.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'C')apitalism enables/encourages votes to be bought.

[americandream]

Odegaard

I day trade for a living btw. Making money is easy. No great rocket science. Living like a thinking human is the hard bit.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'P')ublic libraries in the UK worked like that. They determined book stocking policy by requests made.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'O')degaard
I day trade for a living btw. Making money is easy. No great rocket science.

[americandream]

You attach some strange item to a post of yours (Ferengi whatchamacallit) and call me childish! Wow. That really takes the prize for cheek!

[americandream]

I trade using pure price action odegaard. In an out, its easy. One of the benefits of being a Marxist is one understands price action!

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou attach some strange item to a post of yours (Ferengi whatchamacallit) and call me childish! Wow. That really takes the prize for cheek!

[Quinny]

Not much money involved in hustings or statements produced in a uniform way. Parliamentary selection in the UK doesn't really involve much money, more hard work.

When you involve advertisers, and massive publicity budgets the message becomes less important and you start getting presidential style elections.

Local politics where expenses are more strictly limited were in general fairer, although they have now become merely an extension of the central political machinery.

State funding of candidates who passed a certain threshold would actually widen the franchise and help break the grip of the major parties.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'P')ublic libraries in the UK worked like that. They determined book stocking policy by requests made.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou attach some strange item to a post of yours (Ferengi whatchamacallit) and call me childish! Wow. That really takes the prize for cheek!

[bodigami]

the free market is not really free if there are governments and capital is issued by central banks only.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlosFerreira', 'J')ust yesterday I had a big argument with a colleague who says the current crisis is the proof Capitalism is a failure.
...

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bodigami', 't')he free market is not really free if there are governments and capital is issued by central banks only.