[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '&')quot; When installed, natural gas is more than sufficient to maintain installed natural gas. Plus some oil, hydropower, solar, wind, coal and nuclear thrown in for good measure."

[copious.abundance]

Another silly doomer in denial. It already is installed.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'A')nother silly doomer in denial. It already is installed.

[Frank]

This is great news! Even more CO2 in the atmosphere! That'll show them climate-change doomers that we can outsmart 'em!

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '
')
Once again you've published a story based on nothing more than wishing and hoping. Its a science project, and will be for a very long time.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')What exactly are you accusing AP of saying? Which of the above statements are AP's. and which are your responses to his assumed hypocrisies?

Just askin?

[AirlinePilot]

What Ive been driving at for some time with these jibes is this...

Facts are things which have been proven. They are rarely disputed and have several credible sources accepted by the Industry.Things like flow rates, actual production amounts, oil delivered to refineries, gasoline product consumed, oil in storage, inventory etc.

When you post something to support a certain argument it's hollow if there is no concrete evidence of something happening, specifically if it refers to future events. There is a giant gulf between that and pointing to a credible historic chart of world oil production and inferring from FACTS that we are on a plateau. That is completely and utterly different from energy journalists and companies speculating on future events. I fail to see the hypocrisy in pointing that out and I will continue to do it.

Many of the posts which OF copies are questionable at best. To many of us they appear to be more about marketing/stock pumping than they do reality. I'm not saying its all of them, just many.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'F')acts are things which have been proven . . .

[Ludi]

I'm probably a little confused, Oilfinder. Are you saying oil production will NEVER peak? That is, we will always produce more oil than we produced before?

The theory of peak oil states that at some point oil production will peak, after which oil will become less abundant and more expensive. Are you saying this theory is false?

Please clarify. Thanks.

[copious.abundance]

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: Back in March, here on the Oil Drum we have ace boldly proclaiming, "World Oil Production Peaked in 2008."

Oh really? Where is this crystal ball he has access to that no one else does?

He goes through several long paragraphs of mental masturbations making all sorts of assumptions and estimates about production of future projects, discoveries, decline rates, and blah blah blah, when in reality he has no real clue. He produces a nice, fancy chart with the obligatory drop-off in production after the announced peak date.

I could just as easily forecast they will discover several hundred billions of barrels off the coast of South America and Africa, and that the Saudis really do have 700-900 billion barrels of recoverable oil, and that Iraq has about the same, and that large discoveries will be made elsewhere, and that the high price of oil will encourage large investments, and that therefore oil production will not peak for a long time. But if I did that, I would be attacked for making assumption about future events - even though that is exactly what peakers do ALL THE TIME.

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m probably a little confused, Oilfinder. Are you saying oil production will NEVER peak? That is, we will always produce more oil than we produced before?

The theory of peak oil states that at some point oil production will peak, after which oil will become less abundant and more expensive. Are you saying this theory is false?

Please clarify. Thanks.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')
The theory of peak oil states that at some point oil production will peak, after which oil will become less abundant and more expensive. Are you saying this theory is false?

Please clarify. Thanks.

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'M')y position is that there is far more oil than peakers believe, that the technology and resources to produce this oil exists or will soon exist, and therefore, that production of oil will peak when demand for oil peaks. When that demand-peak will occur, I don't know. It could have been last year, or it might not be for decades. Or we might plateau for decades. Nobody knows.

[AirlinePilot]

We know what your position is OF, we also think your wrong. This website is all about opinion and debate. if you cannot handle that fact than maybe you need to take your toys and go home. I'm perfectly willing to entertain your ideas and have. I see your not willing or able to see the difference between what is happening based on fact and what you think or wish will happen in the future.

There have been many debates here on PO. com about reserves, reserve growth, and technology. Most of us have participated in many of them and have come to the conclusion that while that will happen, it will not happen on the scale required to do anything more than put a dent in that peak. It has nothing to do with how much oil is left. It's about how much we can produce, at what costs, and at what efficiency level.

Most of us older types here who have lived within the business world, the military, and the manufacturing and engineering aspect of our global economies know that reality is a harsh mistress. Little that is predicted ever turns out to be quite the same down the road.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'M')y position is that there is far more oil than peakers believe, that the technology and resources to produce this oil exists or will soon exist, and therefore, that production of oil will peak when demand for oil peaks. When that demand-peak will occur, I don't know. It could have been last year, or it might not be for decades. Or we might plateau for decades. Nobody knows.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'H')ere's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: Back in March, here on the Oil Drum we have ace boldly proclaiming, "World Oil Production Peaked in 2008."

Oh really? Where is this crystal ball he has access to that no one else does?.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AP', 'W')e know what your position is OF, we also think your wrong. This website is all about opinion and debate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'H')ere's a perfect example of what I'm talking about: Back in March, here on the Oil Drum we have ace boldly proclaiming, "World Oil Production Peaked in 2008."

Oh really? Where is this crystal ball he has access to that no one else does?.