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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 16 May 2009, 07:50:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'W')hats the hourly fuel consumption of a Apache?

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')lying machines, like the Apache helicopter, blow through fuel at an astonishing rate. Powered by two General Electric gas-turbine engines, each rated at 1,890-horse power, the Apache gets about one-half mile to the gallon. Just one pair of Apache helicopter batallions [see editor's note, above] in a single night's raid will consume about 60,000 gallons of jet fuel. Any of the large helicopters--the Sea Stallion, Super Stallion, Sea Dragon, or Pave Low III--sucks up five gallons every mile. But that's nothing compared with the fighter planes. With its afterburners fired up, the F-16 Fighter Jet uses 800 gallons per hour, the F-15 about 1,580 gallons per hour. More dramatically, the F-4 Phantom Fighter uses 40 barrels of fuel, or more than 1,600 gallons an hour, each and every hour. But the gas hog award goes to the B-52 Stratocruiser, which has eight jet engines, and zips through an astonishing 86 barrels of fuel, or roughly 3,334 gallons per hour. In one hour of flight--600 miles--the B-52 uses as much fuel as the average driver uses in seven years.


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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby JJ » Sat 16 May 2009, 08:05:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', '
')They are great for tearing up tanks but not so good against infantry.



I imagine the are also great for tearing up your doomstead and all your preps.

C'mon guys. :roll:



Ludi, I wasn't able to find the video clip I was looking for, but this does just as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-pdvir ... L&index=28

For the last ten years, I've been amused by my Republic of Texas neighbors, who LOUDLY proclaim they are not "US citizens" at a time when it's maybe not a good idea to go around telling every cop you"re not a US citizen...and with regards to thier sub-home bunkers, don't we have some kind of bunker busting bomb that will go through X feet of solid rock?
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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 16 May 2009, 08:12:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'W')hats the hourly fuel consumption of a Apache?

Google is your friend.


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Yah I know. But it was past the middle of the night and I was being lazy and headed back to the rack. More of a rhetorical question really. Thanks for doing the click work and fleshing out the point.
Even if Post Peak the military has control of all the remaining oil they will have to be a lot more careful of how they use it. They might have to start growing their own MREs. 8O Being not worth their time and fuel is probably as good a strategy as any.
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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 16 May 2009, 21:29:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', '
')You have to remember too that the Taliban have been fighting their insurgency for years against against just this sort of technology armed mostly with AKs and RPGs and they are far from beaten. Ambushes and traps like IODs are the only way they can fight though and any attempt on their part to go for even a small pitched battle would be a disaster for them.


Well gee, let's all become american taliban.

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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 16 May 2009, 21:39:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') :twisted: What will defeat the helicopter is its operating cost per hour.



I agree. But if you have happened to have attracted them by flouncing around with your guns and "cutting to ribbons" the local and regional authorities, they may well do a number on your doomstead before they run out of fuel.

Seriously guys, please, don't flounce.

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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 16 May 2009, 21:41:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')Being not worth their time and fuel is probably as good a strategy as any.



100% agree.

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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 17 May 2009, 04:53:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ') Being not worth their time and fuel is probably as good a strategy as any.


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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby skyemoor » Sun 17 May 2009, 06:35:27

One's best approach in any such situation is to be on good terms with the local authorities; joining the auxiliary would be the most proactive. Any Rambo-take-on-the-military attitude is for the movies and paranoid militia blogs.

"Taking out" a holdout is much, much simpler than bringing in a Blackhawk. All it takes is a two man team with the following inexpensive item;

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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 08:53:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'O')ne's best approach in any such situation is to be on good terms with the local authorities; joining the auxiliary would be the most proactive. Any Rambo-take-on-the-military attitude is for the movies and paranoid militia blogs.
"Taking out" a holdout is much, much simpler than bringing in a Blackhawk. All it takes is a two man team with the following inexpensive item;

He said there were no police and the ones still wearing a badge were in hiding.
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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby Nefarious » Sun 17 May 2009, 23:31:51

To the OP about being outside and seen well armed.
1st. In order for that to happen here in the states there wouldn't be any law and order left.
2nd. Is if there isn't any law and order left and you have guns then that means the gov. never came around to collect them all.If they don't come and collect them while there is lots of law and order they never will.

As for being visible and well armed in sight for everyone to know is a good strategy against hoodlums looking for easy targets. If you don't look like an easy target they will move on to someone else looking for easier game. It only works when they think the risk is greater than the reward. If however they think you are sitting on the "mother load" then the reward outweighs the risk and then you are no longer a random target.You become a planned target. Once that happens being out and about is now detrimental to you health.
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Re: My Neighbor gave me some survival tips yesterday for Mad Max

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 18 May 2009, 10:44:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nefarious', 'T')o the OP about being outside and seen well armed.
1st. In order for that to happen here in the states there wouldn't be any law and order left.
2nd. Is if there isn't any law and order left and you have guns then that means the gov. never came around to collect them all.If they don't come and collect them while there is lots of law and order they never will.

As for being visible and well armed in sight for everyone to know is a good strategy against hoodlums looking for easy targets. If you don't look like an easy target they will move on to someone else looking for easier game. It only works when they think the risk is greater than the reward. If however they think you are sitting on the "mother load" then the reward outweighs the risk and then you are no longer a random target.You become a planned target. Once that happens being out and about is now detrimental to you health.


I would also tend to think if you are present with your weaps openly, and your neighbors are also the same way, you aren't going to get sniped by some outsider because they know they rest of the neighbors similarly armed will gun him down. This works if you are in a neighborhood where everyone has rough parity with preps... I think original OP said they have lots of food stockpiled & share it...
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