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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 09:01:29

Tent Cities by Prince the Punk..........

Welfare
Drug and alcohol
gang-bangers
Petty crime
mentally ill
Pollution
child abuse
sexual misconduct
sexual deviancy
fiscally irresponsible
unmotivated to work
socialism
human scum



I think you need to see a head doctor. :lol:
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Fishman » Sun 17 May 2009, 09:15:47

Um, problem here, there's NO MONEY. Not advocating for this but in most third world countries the homeless live in/near large dumps, a source of food, recyclables, housing material.
Vision master, perhaps you need to remove your rose colored glasses.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 09:21:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'U')m, problem here, there's NO MONEY. Not advocating for this but in most third world countries the homeless live in/near large dumps, a source of food, recyclables, housing material.
Vision master, perhaps you need to remove your rose colored glasses.


Maybe we can chat at the camp. :lol:
Tent cities spring up in LA

They don't look like...................

Welfare
Drug and alcohol
gang-bangers
Petty crime
mentally ill
Pollution
child abuse
sexual misconduct
sexual deviancy
fiscally irresponsible
unmotivated to work
socialism
human scum


to me?
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Ludi » Sun 17 May 2009, 09:35:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'U')m, problem here, there's NO MONEY.



That is a fact. But the fact of no money won't make the problem of homeless people go away. I guess Prince would like to turn them into fertilizer.

I sincerely hope he is down on his luck in the worst way some day.

<<<<<human scum
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 09:40:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'U')m, problem here, there's NO MONEY.



That is a fact. But the fact of no money won't make the problem of homeless people go away. I guess Prince would like to turn them into fertilizer.

I sincerely hope he is down on his luck in the worst way some day.

<<<<<human scum


:)
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Grautr » Sun 17 May 2009, 09:43:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'H')ere is a YouTube interview with a homeless nurse in London who is living on the streets.

homeless nurse living on the streets of London

Surely an actual interview with a homeless person in Britain is sufficient to demonstrate that there are obviously ARE homeless people in Britain?

If not, there are interviews with lots of other homeless british people on the same youtube page the link brings you to.


Ok, I watched the vids.. they interview two homeless people. My only comment is that it's interesting that they both claim they can't get help because they don't have any "problems," such as addiction or mental illness. So I dunno, that seems a step up from the homeless situation in the US. The homeless here complain that there's just no help at all, not that there's only help for the addicted / ill homeless.

Of course I know there are some people living on the streets in the UK, but my hunch is that overall it's far less by percentage than what we have here in the US.

I mean for Pete's sake, do you ever hear about tent cities being shut down in the UK? No, you don't -- because Britain doesn't have tent cities.

To sum up, this debate is going in circles. We can both throw up anecdotal evidence that isn't really conclusive. If anyone happens to have a link to some real data that compares homelessness in the US as a percentage of the population compared to European countries, I'd be interested in seeing it.

My definition of homelessness, by the way, is living on the street. I think Britain counts those in emergency housing as homeless, but what I'm interested in is whether western European nations have anywhere near the numbers of people actually sleeping on the street as we do.



Here in the Netherlands I have never seen homeless people but 4 years ago when I lived in London there were plenty. No children though. Homless families with children in England go to the top of the housing list as a priority above all other cases.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Plantagenet » Sun 17 May 2009, 12:16:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'r')esearch the damage caused by human scum post-Hurricane Katrina who absolutely destroyed nice hotel rooms


Lots of people destroy hotel rooms, including travelling rock banks having orgies with groupies.

That doesn't mean they are all human scum.

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 12:17:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'r')esearch the damage caused by human scum post-Hurricane Katrina who absolutely destroyed nice hotel rooms


Lots of people destroy hotel rooms, including travelling rock banks having orgies with groupies.

That doesn't mean they are all human scum.

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I like Motley Crue scum. :mrgreen:
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Plantagenet » Sun 17 May 2009, 12:23:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', '
')Here in the Netherlands I have never seen homeless people


Hi Grautr: The Netherlands is one of the very best countries when it comes to dealing with the homeless. Nonetheless, the Netherlands has significant numbers of homeless people as well.

the netherlands has homeless people

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Prince » Sun 17 May 2009, 12:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hat is a fact. But the fact of no money won't make the problem of homeless people go away. I guess Prince would like to turn them into fertilizer.

I sincerely hope he is down on his luck in the worst way some day.

<<<<<human scum


If the financial crisis has taught us anything, you know that karma is pure bullshit. If anything, people like me do better, not worse when times get rough. Hasn't the behavior from politicians and corrupt Wall Street cretins taught you this in recent months? And as I've said before, I've been down in the dumps before and through hard work and the love of family I was able to bounce back bigger and stronger. Surely most of these people have family that could help them...but the family won't help...there must be a reason.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')aybe we can chat at the camp. :lol:
Tent cities spring up in LA

They don't look like...................

Welfare
Drug and alcohol
gang-bangers
Petty crime
mentally ill
Pollution
child abuse
sexual misconduct
sexual deviancy
fiscally irresponsible
unmotivated to work
socialism
human scum

to me?


There's very little excuse for anyone in their 40s and up to be in this situation. Most often it was due to poor financial management. Sure there are cases where people had unexpected medical bills or just had several rounds of back luck, but by-and-large I bet if you look closer your sympathy meter would be a lot closer to mine. Aren't you guys the same people that screamed "idiots" when people were buying big SUVs and McMansions? Well, this is the result... you should be happy.

And again, I ask all you people who are so quick to criticize: Describe your neighborhood and tell me what you do on a regular basis for the homeless. I can almost guarantee you that I do more for society than any of you.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Plantagenet » Sun 17 May 2009, 12:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', ' ')I can almost guarantee you that I do more for society than any of you.


Verily, you are a prince among men.

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby MarkJ » Sun 17 May 2009, 12:55:19

Homelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Plantagenet » Sun 17 May 2009, 13:16:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.


Yup.

And by offering the homeless hotel vouchers, meals, cash payments etc. other regions (usually liberal ones with generous social policies and nice climates) actually become magnets that attract the homeless.

liberal SF is a magnet for the homeless
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Pretorian » Sun 17 May 2009, 13:29:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.



So what? What do you suggest, extermination? Labour camps? Whats better than a a one-way ticket ?
I've known a lot of homeless people and due to a miracle didnt become one myself once. I can tell you that all homeless people who had any desire whatsoever to stop being homeless had found jobs or other means to stop being homeless. I am talking here about a country with no welfare and 20% unemployment rate.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby MarkJ » Sun 17 May 2009, 13:41:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.



So what? What do you suggest, extermination? Labour camps? Whats better than a a one-way ticket ?


I'm not suggesting anything.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby MarkJ » Sun 17 May 2009, 13:50:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.


Yup.

And by offering the homeless hotel vouchers, meals, cash payments etc. other regions (usually liberal ones with generous social policies and nice climates) actually become magnets that attract the homeless.

liberal SF is a magnet for the homeless


One local county has accused other counties of steering their low income and homeless populations their way, but the reason these people head to that county is due to their emergency housing, public transportation, motels that accept homeless, public housing, private subsidized housing, low rent rooms and apartments, slumlords and the ease of qualifying for housing/shelter.

News of available shelter, or less strict qualifications spreads like wildfire in the low income and homeless community which attracts out of area relatives and friends.

With some regions of New York now charging the working homeless shelter rent, some will probably move to areas where they can live for free.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 17 May 2009, 13:57:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.


Yup.

And by offering the homeless hotel vouchers, meals, cash payments etc. other regions (usually liberal ones with generous social policies and nice climates) actually become magnets that attract the homeless.

liberal SF is a magnet for the homeless


Yup, the "I don't wanna be a magnet" isssue is what keeps cities in my area from providing services.

A town not far from me sort of fell into a unique solution by accident. There's a city-owned bay near downtown, which is lined with the condo towers of the mega-rich. I'm not a boating expert, but my understanding is that you can anchor your boat in the bay free of charge and for an unlimited time.

So what's developed over many years is essentially a homeless camp.. most of the boats are old sailboats (without sails) that never raise anchor. The homeless guys have little dinghies and they row back and for and to a park along the harbor where there's public facilities.

So anyway, this bay is literally chock full of old sailboats. And it's actually gorgeous, especially at sunset. Ironically, these boat-living homeless have added a unique beauty to the area. And it's the mega-rich in the condo towers above the harbor who enable this situation to continue. The city hasn't shut down this "camp at sea" precisely because the rich folks love the view.

So maybe that's the kind of solution that's never occurred to people.. it's possible that housing for the homeless can actually double as city beautification.
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby Jack » Sun 17 May 2009, 14:02:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Why are They "waiting"?


There is not yet sufficient popular support. Not to worry - its coming.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Not that many people care about the homeless. Many would just as soon they conveniently disappeared somewhere. Isn't that what people really want - for the alcoholics, drug addicts, and the mentally ill to just conveniently disappear?


Tut, tut Ludi. I'm saddened that anyone would think such a thing.

Rather, we want to help them regain their dignity and independence. They just need the right environment, along with some motivation.

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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby vision-master » Sun 17 May 2009, 14:39:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.


Yup.

And by offering the homeless hotel vouchers, meals, cash payments etc. other regions (usually liberal ones with generous social policies and nice climates) actually become magnets that attract the homeless.

liberal SF is a magnet for the homeless


Yup, the "I don't wanna be a magnet" isssue is what keeps cities in my area from providing services.

A town not far from me sort of fell into a unique solution by accident. There's a city-owned bay near downtown, which is lined with the condo towers of the mega-rich. I'm not a boating expert, but my understanding is that you can anchor your boat in the bay free of charge and for an unlimited time.

So what's developed over many years is essentially a homeless camp.. most of the boats are old sailboats (without sails) that never raise anchor. The homeless guys have little dinghies and they row back and for and to a park along the harbor where there's public facilities.

So anyway, this bay is literally chock full of old sailboats. And it's actually gorgeous, especially at sunset. Ironically, these boat-living homeless have added a unique beauty to the area. And it's the mega-rich in the condo towers above the harbor who enable this situation to continue. The city hasn't shut down this "camp at sea" precisely because the rich folks love the view.

So maybe that's the kind of solution that's never occurred to people.. it's possible that housing for the homeless can actually double as city beautification.


As long as the boats met codes, I don't think anything can be done to remove them. After all, who owns the lake, river ete. I think the high water line law is Nationwide. I can come over and swim right in front of yer property and there is nothing you can do about it as long as I stay off yer beach. :lol:
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Re: What To Do With Tent Cities

Postby MarkJ » Sun 17 May 2009, 15:08:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'H')omelessness is often like plowing snow since you simply move it from point A to point B.

By cracking down on vagrancy, occupancy/safety/health codes, tent cities, squatting, or offering the homeless one-way bus tickets they effectively push homeless people to other regions where they become their problems.


Yup.

And by offering the homeless hotel vouchers, meals, cash payments etc. other regions (usually liberal ones with generous social policies and nice climates) actually become magnets that attract the homeless.


liberal SF is a magnet for the homeless


Yup, the "I don't wanna be a magnet" isssue is what keeps cities in my area from providing services.

A town not far from me sort of fell into a unique solution by accident. There's a city-owned bay near downtown, which is lined with the condo towers of the mega-rich. I'm not a boating expert, but my understanding is that you can anchor your boat in the bay free of charge and for an unlimited time.

So what's developed over many years is essentially a homeless camp.. most of the boats are old sailboats (without sails) that never raise anchor. The homeless guys have little dinghies and they row back and for and to a park along the harbor where there's public facilities.

So anyway, this bay is literally chock full of old sailboats. And it's actually gorgeous, especially at sunset. Ironically, these boat-living homeless have added a unique beauty to the area. And it's the mega-rich in the condo towers above the harbor who enable this situation to continue. The city hasn't shut down this "camp at sea" precisely because the rich folks love the view.

So maybe that's the kind of solution that's never occurred to people.. it's possible that housing for the homeless can actually double as city beautification.


As long as the boats met codes, I don't think anything can be done to remove them. After all, who owns the lake, river ete. I think the high water line law is Nationwide. I can come over and swim right in front of yer property and there is nothing you can do about it as long as I stay off yer beach. :lol:



Under proposed Hudson River-Black River Regulating District rule changes on The Great Sacandaga, the public may be able to legally use my beaches and public land as long as they gain water access legally.

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