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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 06 May 2009, 18:26:41

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Let's put the blame squarely where it belongs, Planty.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The torture memos released by US President Barack Obama's administration in April revealed that highly-placed officials in the Bush administration, including Rice, legally approved the CIA's controversial torture methods. They also gave interrogators the green light to resort to techniques like waterboarding.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 May 2009, 18:37:49

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[url=http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20090505-condoleeza-rice-grilled-over-torture-stanford-guantanamo]Let's put the blame squarely where it belongs[/url.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The torture memos released by US President Barack Obama's administration in April revealed that highly-placed officials in the Bush administration, including Rice, legally approved the CIA's controversial torture methods. They also gave interrogators the green light to resort to techniques like waterboarding.


Of course, Mossie. But because of your blind loyalty to Obama, you are unable to criticize Obama for anything, and you are missing the fact that it is Obama who is currently shielding the CIA torturers from investigation and punishment. If you think that torture is a war crime, then you should accept that torturers should be punished. Obama, as usual, is saying one thing and doing another. In this case Obama is verbally criticizing torture while protecting the actual torturerscriminals in the CIA......and according to the Geneva Conventions, that makes Obama himself complicit in the torture. :!:
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 May 2009, 18:45:24

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Obama wants to have it both ways. He wants to reveal CIA secrets showing the CIA tortured people, but Obama doesn't want to prosecute the CIA torturers. Obama wants to be loved for opposing torture at the same time he is shielding the torturers in the CIA from all prosecution.

Which is it? Is Obama going to stop protecting the CIA torturers?
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 May 2009, 19:26:50

And Obama's defense of the CIA torturers is so lame.......

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Obama says the CIA torturers shouldn't be punished because they were "just following orders"......his teleprompter must've been broken when he read that sickeningly stupid line.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Wed 06 May 2009, 19:37:12

The watchlist, which is used to screen people entering the U.S. and by local law enforcement, contains more than 1.1 million names (msnbc today)http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30606413/

They only have about 1.1 million more deaths by torture to go before America has been cleansed of the evil germ of dissent.

I'm waiting gentlemen. I'm waiting for you to get the courage to reveal yourselves to me. I'm waiting!

1.1 million that means that possibly 1000 people in the city where I live are of interest. Wonder if I know any of them?
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 06 May 2009, 19:56:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nd Obama's defense of the CIA torturers is so lame.......

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Obama says the CIA torturers shouldn't be punished because they were "just following orders"......his teleprompter must've been broken when he read that sickeningly stupid line.


Spoken like someone who has never served his country.

Orders are orders. There is no way to say what would have happened had they not done what they were told. I am willing to bet you would have done it.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Wed 06 May 2009, 20:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nd Obama's defense of the CIA torturers is so lame.......

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Obama says the CIA torturers shouldn't be punished because they were "just following orders"......his teleprompter must've been broken when he read that sickeningly stupid line.


Spoken like someone who has never served his country.

Orders are orders. There is no way to say what would have happened had they not done what they were told. I am willing to bet you would have done it.


Your post added to your USSA flag seem to come from different sides of the political divide. I was just wondering if you would have thought it right to torture someone to death?

So now that the cat is out of the bag why don't we just go full on and call all of America's enemies to unite and launch an immediate all out assualt on the US it's forces, it finances, and then when they capture our troops and when they detain our citizens, they can feel justified in torturing them to death in hopes of learning the fastest way to the local Crispy Creme.

America is already dead if people think that it is ok to torture people to death to ensure the American way of life. The civil war is coming and putting all of our dissidents into prisons of information won't stop it. The good people of this country still think the Constitution is more than a piece of paper. Lies and rumors of lies are only going to keep them satisified for so long. Eventually the tyranny of 'continuity of government' will become apparent. 'Continuity of government' is nothing more than Pharoah recognizing that he can't keep the little pharoah babies in Gucci for very long if there are no slaves to make bricks.

I've watched too many generations of my fathers die as wage slaves to keep silent. The world is in bondage, the human race is enslaved. Many of my brothers do not have the courage to speak this way but the truth is the truth. An elite minority is ruling in almost every nation on earth and the condition of the common people has been getting worse everyday since 1973, that is when per capita oil production peaked.

So what can be done about it? The first thing I am going to do is force Leviathan to show himself. I am going to become more and vocal and active agasint the globalists until they have to take action against me. Once I know that they know my name I will put fear into their hearts by speaking out against them everywhere at all times until enough of my brothers and sisters awaken to take back their freedom.

What is life in bondage, compared to death?

Are there not many in this nation capable of an education who never get it? Are there not many 'deserving' of quality healthcare who are left to die from to suffer without it? Are there not many who hope for a better life and never find it?

What am I saying? Am I saying bombs and guns? No, they have bombs and guns and writs of law which they twist for themselves against you. You have the right to speak, and the right to assemble, and the right to vote, and the right to use the law for what it was intended, to protect your freedom, to ensure it.

They fear your right to speak, and your right to assemble. Machiavelli and Rousseau both told us the same truth, the prince fears the people.

An empowered, engaged, and educated citizenship is the only bulwark against tyranny. If you have done that, all else is an act of God.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 06 May 2009, 20:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', ' ')The civil war is coming.



Really?

The people against the "elites"?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', ' ')Once I know that they know my name I will put fear into their hearts by speaking out against them everywhere at all times until enough of my brothers and sisters awaken to take back their freedom.


But until then you'll remain anonymous?
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 May 2009, 20:52:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nd Obama's defense of the CIA torturers is so lame.......

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Obama says the CIA torturers shouldn't be punished because they were "just following orders"......his teleprompter must've been broken when he read that sickeningly stupid line.


Orders are orders. There is no way to say what would have happened had they not done what they were told.


The Nuremburg trials say otherwise. The Nazis tried to excuse their actions during the Nuremburg trials by saying "they were just following orders." Sometimes Obama seems intelligent and sometimes he seems incredibly ignorant. It is incredibly ignorant for Obama to resort to using the same discredited excuses that the Nazis used at Nuremburg as his reason for shielding the CIA torturers.

In any case, the CIA is not the military. The CIA is part of the federal civil service, for heaven's sakes. Its virtually impossible to even fire someone in the civil service in the federal government. Nothing would've happened to anyone in the CIA who refused to torture----the worst that would've happened is that they would've been posted to a undercover spot at an embassy in London or Tokyo instead of to Guantanamo.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 06 May 2009, 20:55:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', ' ')The civil war is coming.



Really?

The people against the "elites"?


Go elites ! :-D Wait, who are the elites ? :| That's us, right ? [smilie=grommit.gif]
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 06 May 2009, 21:12:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'W')ait, who are the elites ? :| That's us, right ? [smilie=grommit.gif]



Might be - you never know once the scapegoating begins.

You might find yourself labeled an "elite" or a "Pigman" and taken to the guillotine.

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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Wed 06 May 2009, 21:25:05

If I had been ordered to torture you, I would have.

When you sign your life over to the government, that life no longer belongs to you. Which is why I remind all of the young kids out there to make sure they really think through the their choices before commiting to lifetime servitude.

The leaders in charge, voted in by the american people forced these young men and women to do the dirty work that they were to personally cowardly to carry out, should be the ones tried for the crimes. But they won't be...

We are born into bondage, there is no changing it. There will come a time when the freedoms we have here to type and bitch will come to an end and everyone will forget what they were like. There is no stopping what is coming, and you will accept it. You will not put up a fight and nobody else in here will either.

I am sure you are familiar with the hypodermic needle theory (media has power to influence the masses), but did you know that all theories about the limited effects of media (media has no effect or little) that is taught and sourced by media companies was created by jews? All of them, whether you are talking about lasswell, lazarsfeld, katz, klapper.... on and on. Our history and our future is very slowly being changed, for one ultimate purpose.

The people who are really in charge have known for a long time what their ultimate game plan would be. They sit in their mansions and they play the world scene like they would a game of chess, while people like yourselves and everyone else play hopscotch. They have manipulated everything and continue to do so. Everything major that has happened for the last ... well pretty much ever, has been moved into place by them.

You think your getting fired up and posting about how things are wrong or immoral really fucking matter. Your a slave, a worthless fucking slave you will never be allowed to accomplish or do any of merit. So suck it up, get on with your life and watch some more hulu, the aliens want your tiny brains.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 06 May 2009, 23:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
')The people who are really in charge have known for a long time what their ultimate game plan would be. They sit in their mansions and they play the world scene like they would a game of chess, while people like yourselves and everyone else play hopscotch. They have manipulated everything and continue to do so. Everything major that has happened for the last ... well pretty much ever, has been moved into place by them.


How comforting to portray world events as being the predestined outcome of the elites, because then it lets everyone just sit on their ass and feel sorry for themselves.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 06 May 2009, 23:30:01

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I don't understand your logic. You're saying Obama is responsible for this? Are you either A) and idiot (which I doubt), or B) an iconoclast for whom the end always justifies the means?
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 06 May 2009, 23:37:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', ' ')The civil war is coming.



Really?

The people against the "elites"?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Voice_du_More', ' ')Once I know that they know my name I will put fear into their hearts by speaking out against them everywhere at all times until enough of my brothers and sisters awaken to take back their freedom.


But until then you'll remain anonymous?


I don't know who Voice_du_More is, but he knows a breadth of things which few others know in total sum. He understands a broad range of things in whom I've seen that few before know about.

He understands not just what is generally occurring behind the scenes (behind the MSM coverage), but the historical context as well. That is rare, IMO.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 07 May 2009, 00:34:07

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I don't understand your logic. You're saying Obama is responsible for this?


Obama promised the people in the CIA who conducted the torture sessions that he would shield them from being prosecuted.

Obama pledges to protect the CIA torturers

Obama is responsible for covering up the identities of the CIA torturers and protecting them from prosecution. Under international law, anyone who is involved with torture, including government officials who protect the torturers, as Obama is doing, are complicit in the crime of torture.
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Re: US interrogators may have killed dozens, tortured to death

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 07 May 2009, 00:47:37

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I don't understand your logic. You're saying Obama is responsible for this?


Obama promised the people in the CIA who conducted the torture sessions that he would shield them from being prosecuted.

Obama pledges to protect the CIA torturers

Obama is responsible for covering up the identities of the CIA torturers and protecting them from prosecution. Under international law, anyone who is involved with torture, including government officials who protect the torturers, as Obama is doing, are complicit in the crime of torture.


It was all over the news that day when Obama gave his recent speech about probable war crimes. He drove the whole issue as far out of the political realm as he could - because he and his team have more important pressing priorities and he didn't think that pausing to prosecute the previous administration made any political sense. It didn't.

So he kicked the issue to the US Prosecuting Attorney. The Attorney General, Eric Holder, will make more critical decisions about this issue than Obama will. Lots of other important people will have their say about who, if anyone, should be appointed Special Prosecutor.

So it won't be Obama's personal decisions that will allow for investigation and/or prosecution of war crimes; it will be the US legal code as it is written. The law is very plain.
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