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Traffic in US Metropolitans?

Unread postby bobeau » Tue 19 Apr 2005, 23:19:05

Calling all US suburbanites - has anyone noticed a reduction in traffic during rush hour? Surely the Daylight Savings switchover has some effect, but the last couple days in San Diego have been weird in the reduction. Can't find news of any local events which would explain it.
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Unread postby NevadaGhosts » Tue 19 Apr 2005, 23:20:13

Nope. People drive more than ever and faster than ever. Large SUV's and trucks still everywhere.
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Unread postby jato » Tue 19 Apr 2005, 23:27:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ut the last couple days in San Diego have been weird in the reduction.


In Escondido & Valley Center, there seems to be an ever increasing volume of cars on the road!
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Unread postby bobeau » Tue 19 Apr 2005, 23:48:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ut the last couple days in San Diego have been weird in the reduction.


In Escondido & Valley Center, there seems to be an ever increasing volume of cars on the road!


Hmm. I do the Encinitas to Carmel Valley thing.
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Unread postby SD_Scott » Tue 19 Apr 2005, 23:56:58

At 4 PM today, it was like a holiday on the 15 north. Very light traffic. Thats wierd that you posted this, because I was wondering why the traffic was so thin lately. I live in Poway and that whole section of the 15 is under construction and it's usually really slow from Scripps Poway parkway past the Ted Williams.
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Unread postby pamur » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 00:21:26

I haven't seen any significant reductions in peak freeway traffic in Seattle. Being retired I have kind of avoided that mess lately but a couple of times lately I have had to get out in it and it seems the same. Where do you think the first reduction in driving will occur? I bet we see less recreational travel first. You have to go to work and, at least in the Seattle area, public transit is a crummy option unless you live right downtown.
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 00:47:34

No change in Silicon Valley. The people lucky enough to still have jobs will not reduce their driving until gas is well over $5 a gallon.
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Re: From Seattle

Unread postby bobeau » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 01:53:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pamur', 'W')here do you think the first reduction in driving will occur? I bet we see less recreational travel first. You have to go to work and, at least in the Seattle area, public transit is a crummy option unless you live right downtown.


That was my first thought... maybe a contingency of unemployed people who hop on the highway for a few exits to go to the gym, favorite deli, yoga class, etc, during peak hours. In particular housewives and 20-somethings living with mom and dad. But in a way I doubt this as those families are generally well off and the travel is minimal anyway. Perhaps it's more like minimally employed 20 somethings (part time service/retail) who can't justify a long expensive commute for meager pay. Or people who have telcommuting options.

I'm sure what SD_Scott and I saw was just an aberration, but the thought crossed my mind so I thought it was worth asking. It will be interesting to see how high gas goes before there's a permanent and obvious reduction in traffic.
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Unread postby pup55 » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 01:54:22

It was spring break about a week ago, and it was noticeably better. Maybe that's what you are seeing.

At our place, there is a noticeable traffic improvement when the school buses are not running. They will start summer break in about a month.

This year, though, I have already noticed survey crews out ready to start the summer road work, so frankly, I expect it to be worse than normal.

Distance to work: 14 miles. Commute time (tonight) one hour and five minutes. Average speed: 12.92 mph.

There was a used corvette for sale the other day in a parking lot that I toyed briefly about calling the guy on, but at 12.92 mph, what's the point?
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Unread postby bobeau » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 02:07:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'I')t was spring break about a week ago, and it was noticeably better. Maybe that's what you are seeing.


Good point. Though the past couple days were much better than last week.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '
')There was a used corvette for sale the other day in a parking lot that I toyed briefly about calling the guy on, but at 12.92 mph, what's the point?


Yep. I have an older BMW M3 with a blower (360 hp). Can't wait to move downtown so I can take a train to work.
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Unread postby Grimnir » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 02:09:19

Traffic hasn't slowed perceptibly, but the busses I ride sure have a lot more people in them these days!
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Unread postby linlithgowoil » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 06:49:17

its as busy as ever here (edinburgh, scotland). i drive from linlithgow to edinburgh and back every day (35 miles round trip). It takes roughly 45 minutes each way, though i made it in 35 minutes one day when it was very quite.

i average about 23 and a bit MPH therefore.

my car is an old (1996 january) renault laguna 1800cc 8valve, and i drive pretty gently (i stick to 55 mph), and i get around 35MPG which isnt bad i suppose. with petrol at about 80 pence, i get 100 miles for £10 roughly. However, its now up to 86 pence (was 79 pence about 3 months ago), and i get less now. I think 86 pence equals about £3.90 per gallon (4.55 litres per gallon in UK). In US $ this would then be :- $7.30 ish i think? (using about £1.89 per $1.00).

I do about 1000 miles per month - so i spend just a bit over £100 per month on petrol. After end of August, i'll no longer have this job and will work very near home though, which will save about £80 per month in petrol.. :-D

People here wouldnt stop driving to work unless petrol went a LOT higher - i'm talking about £1.50 per litre or more. Most people have a lot of spare cash/credit which they spend on booze, take aways and holidays and if forced, they'd give all that up and spend it on petrol. Problem then is - no economy as no consumer spending, as we all know.
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Unread postby RonMN » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 07:40:37

Minneapolis MN here...maybe a SLIGHT decrease in traffic here, nothing too noticable though.
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Unread postby NeoPeasant » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 08:51:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grimnir', 'T')raffic hasn't slowed perceptibly, but the busses I ride sure have a lot more people in them these days!


I noticed that too. This morning when I got on, in addition to the mexican guy who's usually the lone passenger, there were two other people! Triple the usual number! Of course when I got on that figure went down to only double the usual number. :roll:
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Unread postby aahala » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 10:01:45

I don't know if traffic has declined or not, but a small reduction in the
number of vehicles during a given time period can have a disproportional
effect on thruput and your impression of it.

If a particular intersection can easily handle a 100 cars per time period,
adding 1 or 2 may not change the flow just 1 or 2 percent. It could bring
everybody to a near stop. And small reductions can reduce bottlenecks
that were occuring prior to this.
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Unread postby Yavicleus » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 10:04:16

Haven't seen less traffic here in South East Virginia, but now that it's warm here I have seen an increase in motorcycles on the road.
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Unread postby RiverRat » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 11:25:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '
')Distance to work: 14 miles. Commute time (tonight) one hour and five minutes. Average speed: 12.92 mph.


Is traffic congestion factored into CAFÉ standards or any type of policy in relation to MPG???

Sure the MPG numbers look good on a clear straight stretch in rural Iowa.

Any thoughts?
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Unread postby aahala » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 11:42:02

I think it's the National Highway Transporation Safety Agency that has
authority to propose changes to the CAFE standards, and if Congress fails
to act, their proposals become law.

The NHTSA never does diddly squat in this area, as they know anything
major will be trumped by Congress and their future authority and funding
would likely be cut if they tried to lead beyond what Congress wants.
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Unread postby Aira » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 15:55:48

I drive the 57 & 60 here in the Los Angeles area daily.

I've noticed the same thing ever since gas prices started marching upward, but with a caveat. If I leave work during traditional busy times... like 5-6PM... the freeway is as crowded as it always is. But, if I need to leave late, 6:30 or later, traffic is so much better than it was when I've needed to stay late in the past.

I attribute it to less discretionary driving. The people on the roads between 5 and 6 are leaving work and will be on the road no matter what the price of gas is. By 6:30, most people are at home already. Instead of going out somewhere, they're staying home.
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Unread postby bobeau » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 19:19:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aahala', 'I') don't know if traffic has declined or not, but a small reduction in the
number of vehicles during a given time period can have a disproportional
effect on thruput and your impression of it.

If a particular intersection can easily handle a 100 cars per time period,
adding 1 or 2 may not change the flow just 1 or 2 percent. It could bring
everybody to a near stop. And small reductions can reduce bottlenecks
that were occuring prior to this.


Right, Queuing Theory. I wasn't looking for a huge actual change, but any perceptible change. Oil has really shot up over the past 1+ years. This hasn't seemed to affect people's driving habits, but then again folks may have thought the upward swing was temporary. The idea it's here to stay might be sinking in now, and maybe with this realization thresholds are being passed at which thoughts of changing driving habits are entering people's minds.
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